Another approach (in the PDF below you can zoom in to read the small text if you want):
Source: https://x.com/turchin/status/1764991259960054083?s=20
IMMORTEN2.pdf (104.8 KB)
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Neo
#22
Interesting- do you think any “upload” is you or a copy of you?
Doubtful that an upload would be you. Just as a picture of you is never you.
Now a brain transfer to a new body is a whole other story.
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Neo
#24
Just a word on terminology here. John is 100% correct that once at cryogenic temperatures “time is frozen” and for all radical purposes stopped.
There is virtually no chemical reaction, hence no biological activity and hence biological time has stopped.
Having said that, when things larger than cells are cryopreserved, they are actually not frozen, no ice allowed to form, and the fields tries to avoid that terminology as it can create confusion.
Rather they are cooled in a way such that water molecules do not form crystalline structure, but rather the viscosity keep going up and up as temperatures goes down until it eventually turned into a glassy state.
Think of it as putting syrup in your fridge, it starts behaving more like a solid, but it actually still is liquid.
Technically that looks like this:
And here is a famous example of two kidneys that have been cooled to cryogenic temperatures.
The one of the left is what happens if we don’t control ice and the kidney is totally destroyed.
The one of the right has vitrified and turned into a glassy form and has not suffered any damage from ice.
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Neo
#25
This has led to successful transplants of mammalian ovaries and kidneys as two examples.
Just last year one of those studies was featured on the cover of the journal Science
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