I watch my hair follicles as they grow hair in sites that have not had hair for a decade or two. I even post photos on this forum. I will post more following my last dose (on monday), but at a time that suits me.

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Thank you for sharing.

Wondering if you base that opinion on any research or are you talking about your individual reaction?

Functional tests are probably the most reliable tests. When it comes to physical deterioration as a result of aging things like being able to turn 180 degrees in my car seat before reversing is a material functional improvement. Similarly as I can now lift my PA speakers when setting up for a gig that is useful functional improvement.

Hair is a really nice thing to watch as when using a macro camera you can see physical changes within a week or so of changing the inputs.

Other things like improvement to the ECM are harder to track.

Things like epigenetic tests are IMO less important although still curious.

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Those are real verifiable improvements, but can one say that it is coming from taking RAPA. i assume you might be taking other supplements and or meds?

It is not just from Rapamycin. I know this week’s hair growth is from my Rapamycin dose on monday simply because I monitor my scalp every day.

I run a broader protocol with a large number of interventions. One of them is Rapamycin.

However, I test things in the same way as debugging a computer program. I make changes and watch for macro results.

I am in a mood at the moment because my blood draw scheduled for today was cancelled, but I do have a CGM implanted and can see exactly what Rapamycin is doing compared to last week.

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@anon99478646 There is so much confirmation bias, it is concerning. I will say, Matterhorn, I recognise what you wrote. The problem is when people are so invested in something, they don’t want to consider the potential downsides anymore.
Besides that, as Amusar rightfully pointed out, the bar of evidence is placed much higher for any negative experience than for positive experiences.

After experiencing some ad hominem remarks from a specific member and not wanting to spend my time anymore on that, I’m not inclined to go into detail. But I recognise what the concerned young female scientist that took Rapa wrote, and what you write.



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Quite right, but I’m not sure what your complaint is. When people report positive things I kinda shrug. I’ve seen a lot of positive reports on a lot of nonsense, and as long as rapa is generally low risk it’s just a grain of sand in the pile.

When someone claims permanent harm, though, then I pay attention. That’s just the nature of the game: safety before efficacy.

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Without actual case reports establishing causality, I don’t really trust internet reports either.

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The case reports I saw linking rapamycin to angioedema seemed to go some way towards establishing causality. I need to find a time to try to collate these. It would be good to know the minimum dosage that gives a risk of angioedema.

You know how to write headlines!

Yes, as you know, I spent 45 minutes talking with her, giving her all the details to put together a quality writeup that was fair and balanced. It would seem that this wasn’t what she wanted the angle to be, so failed to even mention the reasonable evidence and discussion I had with her.
Not really “investigative reporting” when one goes in heading in a certain direction and ignoring information that was valid and would have been valuable in balancing the piece.

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The always interesting stats are those which come from medication-naive people, i.e. people who know nothing about a given medication rather than from those who already have preconceived ideas for or against, that way one avoids placebo/nocebo effects to a greater degree.

In that spirit, I read two studies involving rapamycin and presumably rapamycin-naive patients. The interesting part is not the effect of rapamycin for the indication, i.e. the effect for the disease, but rather how people reacted to rapamycin quite APART from what it did or did not do for their disease. Study one:

Again, the disease and the effect of rapamycin on the disease is not what’s interesting here. Rather it is this quote:

“Three patients discontinued rapamycin for less than 1-month due to intolerance to adverse events, then, 12 patients received ≥1 dose of the rapamycin and provided ≥1 post-baseline target score after baseline were included for intent-to-treat (ITT) analysis. 100% (5/5) of patients with upper gastrointestinal strictures achieved clinical response after using rapamycin. However, no clinical response was observed in those patients with CD lesions in lower gastrointestinal tract. Adverse events occurred in 40% (6/15) of patients. No death or serious opportunistic infections were observed in the present study.”

Now, this is a small study, but it is in patients who had presumably no preconceived ideas about rapamycin one way or another - yet, right off the bat 20% had to drop out because of how bad the side effects were, and the overall rate of adverse events was 40%. That’s a very high rate for an FDA cleared drug, clearly we’re not dealing with aspirin here. However, on the plus side, there were no serious opportunistic infections - but again, this was a small study (15 subjects).

Second:

Quote:

“Despite a median sirolimus therapy duration of 524 days and some therapeutic benefits, all patients discontinued therapy due to adverse effects. Our findings suggest that while sirolimus may have clinical utility, its role may be limited by treatment-derived adverse effects.”

OK, this is smaller yet, and in pretty sick patients. It’s only 4 subjects. However, what is interesting is that again, all were presumably rapamycin naive, and yet all 4 stopped the drug due to adverse effects - a 100% quit rate due to adverse side effects despite deriving benefits from the drug vs their disease. And this was in subjects who didn’t quit immediately, but gave it a long, long try - well over a year, a fair chance for a drug by any standard. The conclusion the authors reach is pretty devastating: even though rapamycin may be an effective drug, the adverse effects are so bad, that they seriously undermine the use case for this drug.

The point here is that we can’t appeal to people’s imaginations, placebo or nocebo. People take the drug, and it has its effects and there seems to be a very large rate of events adverse enough that the quit rate is very high regardless of benefits.

So when people report not doing well on rapamycin, it is well worth taking them seriously, rather than chalking it up to prejudice or primarily psychosomatic reactions.

I still intend to take rapa in the next few months, but I am under no illusion that this is necessarily going to be smooth sailing, akin to popping a tylenol. We’ll see. YMMV.

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Yes - but there are two considerations here. One is the dose… 2mg/day is quite a high dose when done daily. The other factor is that rapamycin may have some sort of unusually negative relationship with the Crohn’s disease which contributes to the high side effect profile and dropout rate. You don’t see that high a dropout rate in many other studies; this is the worst I’ve ever seen.

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I agree with @RapAdmin It’s probably a bad interaction with Crohn’s Disease.

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@rberger 's 15 minutes of fame is continuing… as does the media interest in Rapamycin.

“CBS Inside Edition” covered rapamycin today.

I suspect we’ll see a lot more of this type of popular TV coverage, especially once the popular press learns that it improves fertility and delay’s menopause… (I suspect Robert won’t be in those interviews :wink: )

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@RapAdmin, @DeStrider - possibly. But then, shouldn’t we put this in the adverse reactions pinned post “if suffering from Crohn’s disease, caution advised with rapamycin”?

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All in all, a good week for rapamycin in the news cycle:

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I agree with that. 2 mg a day is a big dose that will produce multiple serious side effects. I cannot tolerate even 1 mg per day continuously.

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