We’ve been taking 1.25mg Selegiline every morning for close to 2 years now.

Since I’m nearly perfect anyways, it’s hard to tell if it’s made a difference LoL!

But our youngest son (40y/o) who has pretty high ADHD takes 2.5mg every day and after about 6 months offered his unsolicited opinion, “it’s working! and I find better focus and more clarity of thought”

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You split the 5mg tabs into quarters I imagine? That’s what I do as well.

Although, I’ve seen some say it’s better to take sublingual. I’m not sure how accurate that is.

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Sublingual is way more potent. 1.25 mg sublingual is like 5 mg orally from what I remember.

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Yep, sort of, 1/2 for the son and 1/4 each for the Boss and I :slight_smile: so 1 tab per day.

When you (or your son) don’t take selegiline (intentionally or because you forgot), did you notice any withdrawal/rebound symptoms?

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At the 1.25mg dose I don’t notice anything taking it nor if I miss a dose or 2.

Our son at 2.5mg does notice the effect and if he misses a dose.

A number of our interventions are “brain” focused

Occasionally, maybe a couple times a month I take 2.5mg but I don’t notice anything at that dose either. Since I don’t have a “condition” that this drug would technically benefit I never expected to notice much but was looking for “something” but nothing.

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Thanks.

So you take it only for its purported longevity properties?

What are your other brain focused interventions?

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I’ve tried a couple nootropics but never noticed much.

Besides sleep, exercise and a decent diet we do a few things;

  • a variety of basic supplements
  • tVNS
  • creatine
  • selegiline
  • caffeine
  • microdose golden teacher 'shrooms a couple times a year
  • low dose THC (oral)
  • GLP1-R’s
  • growth hormone secretagogues
  • DHEA
  • melatonin

Will be trying a few peptides in the New Year

  • Semax
  • Selank
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I’ve been taking it orally most days since I was in my fifties (late 60s now). Started off with 1/4 of a 5 mg tablet, gone up to 1/2 2.5mg after age 60. Don’t feel any different but am taking it on the evidence we have so far.

Just had a list of the normal NHS blood tests. Doc phoned up to give me the results, seemed slightly incredulous that everything was in normal range, except for too much testosterone. :slight_smile:

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A novel neuroprotective mechanism of selegiline by suppressing the pro-apoptotic activity of protein disulfide isomerase 2025

Beyond its role in MAO-B inhibition, selegiline exhibits neuroprotective effects, potentially through anti-apoptotic mechanisms. Recent studies have shown that selegiline can prevent mitochondria-dependent apoptosis [1], whereas the specific molecular targets for such effect remain elusive.
In summary, we leveraged selegiline’s unique N-propargylamine moiety for ABPP and identified PDI as a key target in our study. Selegiline covalently binds to PDI at residues S32, C56, and K207, notably within the catalytic CGHC motif at C56, thereby inhibiting PDI’s enzymatic activity. Typically, PDI plays a protective role in the unfolded protein response (UPR), but it can also exhibit pro-apoptotic functions in neurodegenerative diseases, leading to mitochondrial outer membrane permeabilization (MOMP) and cell death. Our findings reveal that selegiline-mediated inhibition of PDI prevents MOMP in isolated mitochondria and rescues ER stress-induced apoptosis in MN9D cells, thereby unveiling a novel aspect of its neuroprotective mechanism.

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@adssx So perhaps on and off cycles of some short - would not want it to stop good apoptosis?

I don’t know enough about this.

What I know is that selegiline 1.25 mg (1/4 of a pill) lifted my mild depression and apathy after a few weeks. I stopped after a month, and 2 months later my mental health is still great. (Why did I stop? It increased my blood pressure and I’m not sure about its long-term use. I also wanted to see if I could do without it and the test was successful.) So given its longevity + neuroprotection potential, low-dose selegiline might be the best antidepressant at least for mild symptoms? If my depression comes back I’ll try again selegiline (effectively cycling it as needed).

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I am liking this one as a nasal spray in combination with Oxytocin.

More than half the people I know using this combo now “demand” it and find significant improvement in mood, focus and experience an overall a feeling of well being.

Our oldest grandson (31y/o) is a red seal high crane operator and finds this combo more effective for anxiety than the med he is prescribed for that condition. He has suffered from anxiety for at least 15 years. It’s an “interesting” condition as it’s not driven by external situations. While external things can trigger it or make it worse, chronic anxiety is a specific diagnosis with many potential factors contributing.

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I have high HVA, maybe this means I should try selegiline again (this might be a sign of excess dopamine oxidation in the brain)
Ugh, but unitedpharmacies.md…

Dopamine Metabolism, Stimulant Tolerance, and HVA Elevation

Dopamine Breakdown and HVA Production

Dopamine is primarily metabolized by monoamine oxidase (MAO) and catechol-O-methyl transferase (COMT), yielding homovanillic acid (HVA) as the major end-product . In the brain, dopamine can be oxidatively deaminated by MAO (especially the MAO-B isoform in glial cells) to an intermediate (DOPAL/DOPAC), which COMT then converts to HVA; alternatively, COMT can first methylate dopamine to 3-methoxytyramine, which MAO (plus aldehyde dehydrogenase) further oxidizes to HVA . HVA itself is an inactive metabolite with no known biological role, and it is eventually excreted in urine . Because HVA is the final breakdown product of dopamine, its levels (in cerebrospinal fluid or plasma) are commonly used as an index of central dopamine turnover or activity. Notably, dopamine can also undergo auto-oxidation (non-enzymatic reaction with oxygen) to form reactive quinones and free radicals . This means that excessive dopamine metabolism – whether through MAO or auto-oxidation – can produce reactive oxygen species (ROS) such as hydrogen peroxide and other radicals. These byproducts can damage cells; indeed, dopamine-derived oxidative stress is implicated in neurodegenerative damage (as in Parkinson’s disease) . In summary, high HVA levels reflect high dopamine turnover, which is biochemically linked to increased oxidative metabolism of dopamine.

Stimulant Effects on Dopamine and HVA

Psychostimulant medications like methylphenidate (MPH) and amphetamines acutely increase synaptic dopamine by promoting release and/or blocking reuptake. This surge in dopamine availability leads to accelerated dopamine metabolism, often observed as a rise in HVA levels. For example, animal studies show that acute administration of various stimulants (e.g. amphetamine, mazindol) significantly elevates striatal HVA concentration, indicating heightened dopamine turnover . Clinically, HVA in cerebrospinal fluid tends to correlate with dopamine activity; in children with ADHD, higher baseline CSF HVA has been associated with a greater clinical response to stimulant therapy, consistent with the idea that stimulants act on dopamine-rich systems .

However, with repeated or chronic stimulant exposure, the dopamine system adapts in ways that alter these metabolic effects. Tolerance can develop not only to the behavioral effects of stimulants but also to their biochemical impact on dopamine metabolism. Notably, repeated dosing blunts the HVA response: in rats, l- and d-amphetamine show a tolerance to HVA elevation – over time the same dose no longer raises HVA as much as it did initially . (By contrast, drugs with different mechanisms, like fenfluramine, did not show this tolerance in that study .) This tolerance likely reflects neuroadaptive changes: for instance, chronic stimulant use can induce lower dopamine release per impulse or upregulation of dopamine transporters/enzymes, thereby normalizing dopamine turnover acutely. In line with this, cross-tolerance is observed between some dopaminergic stimulants (e.g. amphetamine and mazindol) in their ability to elevate HVA , suggesting they share common pathways that the brain adjusts to.

At the same time, chronic stimulant exposure may dysregulate baseline dopamine metabolism in the long run. Paradoxically, even when an individual is not acutely on the drug, their dopaminergic system may remain overactive or “mis-wired” after prolonged stimulant use. Clinical research provides evidence: recently abstinent stimulant abusers exhibit abnormally high HVA levels. One study found that people who had recently stopped using cocaine had significantly higher CSF HVA compared to healthy controls . The authors concluded this reflects dysregulation of central dopamine metabolism persisting into abstinence . In other words, chronic stimulant use can leave the dopamine system in a hyper-turnover state, pumping out excess dopamine or metabolizing it abnormally even after the drug is gone. Elevated HVA in these patients is a biochemical sign of that imbalance. (Interestingly, another report noted that long-term abstinent cocaine users with strong drug craving still showed increased CSF HVA, linking dopamine turnover to craving and perhaps lingering neurochemical changes.) Thus, stimulant tolerance and chronic use are associated with altered dopamine dynamics – acutely diminished responsiveness to stimulants’ effects, but also potential baseline overactivity in dopamine breakdown, as evidenced by high HVA. Clinically, this might manifest as needing higher doses for the same effect (tolerance) and possible rebound or subclinical hyperdopaminergic symptoms when off the drug.

Does Elevated HVA Indicate Neurotoxicity or Dopamine Dysregulation?

Excessively high HVA levels signal that dopamine is being released and broken down at a high rate, which raises concern for dopamine system stress or toxicity. The process of metabolizing dopamine via MAO produces hydrogen peroxide (H₂O₂) as a byproduct; in excess, H₂O₂ can generate hydroxyl radicals (•OH) especially in the presence of iron, leading to oxidative damage of proteins, lipids, and DNA. High dopamine turnover (high HVA) therefore means more ROS generation, which over time can contribute to neurotoxic effects or wear-and-tear on neurons . This concept is well supported in the context of illicit stimulant abuse. Methamphetamine, for instance, is notorious for causing dopaminergic neurotoxicity. Mechanistic studies attribute this in large part to dysregulated dopamine metabolism and oxidative stress: methamphetamine triggers massive dopamine release, and the ensuing breakdown and auto-oxidation of dopamine yields oxidative species that damage dopamine nerve terminals . Over time, high doses of methamphetamine produce lasting depletion of striatal dopamine and its metabolites and loss of dopamine transporters and enzymes – essentially an oxidative burnout of the system . In animal models, markers of dopamine oxidation and inflammation rise with high-dose stimulant exposure, correlating with neurodegeneration. Clinically, chronic stimulant abusers show signs of dopamine system injury; for example, long-term methamphetamine users have an elevated risk of developing Parkinsonian symptoms later in life, consistent with loss of dopaminergic neurons . All of this links excess dopamine turnover (and thus HVA production) with potential neurotoxic consequences. High HVA itself is just a marker, but it implies the dopamine system is working in overdrive, which if sustained can overwhelm antioxidant defenses and lead to neuronal injury.

It is important to note that an elevated HVA does not always mean neurons are healthy or undamaged – sometimes it reflects surviving neurons working harder. An illustrative finding comes from primate research: monkeys given chronic high-dose amphetamines suffered substantial dopamine neuron loss (their striatal dopamine levels dropped markedly), yet their HVA levels were only moderately reduced in the brain . The fact that HVA did not fall in proportion to dopamine suggests the remaining neurons were metabolizing dopamine at an almost normal or heightened rate to compensate . This compensatory dopamine turnover can mask underlying neurodegeneration. In other words, a person could incur toxic damage to dopamine circuits (reducing total dopamine capacity) and yet still show near-normal or even high HVA output because the system ramps up turnover per neuron. Such a scenario again points to dysregulated metabolism – the system is effectively “revving” to maintain function, which might further promote oxidative stress.

In summary, elevated HVA is generally a sign of a hyperactive or dysregulated dopamine state. In the context of stimulant tolerance/abuse, it suggests the brain has adjusted to chronic high dopamine by increasing dopamine breakdown (a form of allostatic load). This dysregulation can be neurotoxic: the intense dopamine cycling produces oxidative byproducts that may damage terminals. Indeed, researchers consider dopamine-derived ROS a key factor in stimulant-induced neurotoxicity . From a clinical perspective, persistently high HVA could be a biochemical warning sign of stress on the dopamine system.

Role of Selegiline (Selective MAO-B Inhibitor) in Mitigating High HVA and Neurotoxicity

Selegiline (deprenyl) is a selective inhibitor of MAO-B, the isoenzyme largely responsible for dopamine degradation in the brain. By inhibiting MAO-B, selegiline slows the breakdown of dopamine into DOPAC and HVA. This has two major effects: increasing available dopamine in the synapse and reducing the production of HVA (and associated oxidative byproducts). Indeed, studies have documented that selegiline therapy lowers dopamine metabolite levels. For example, in patients treated with selegiline (10 mg/day), CSF concentrations of DOPAC dropped significantly and HVA showed a clear reduction trend compared to baseline . (In one report, high-dose selegiline lowered CSF HVA by ~21%, though in a small sample .) Similarly, in animal experiments chronic low-dose selegiline raised basal striatal dopamine levels while reducing dopamine turnover: rats on selegiline had higher extracellular dopamine and a blunted reduction of DOPAC/HVA during stimulant challenge . These findings confirm that selegiline effectively normalizes dopamine metabolism, shifting the balance away from dopamine breakdown (lowering HVA formation) and toward preserving dopamine.

Beyond simply reducing HVA levels, selegiline exerts neuroprotective effects relevant to oxidative stress. By inhibiting MAO-B, selegiline directly reduces the formation of hydrogen peroxide that would result from dopamine’s enzymatic oxidation. But it also has several indirect antioxidant and neuroprotective actions. Research shows that selegiline can reduce the production of oxidative free radicals, up-regulate antioxidant enzymes (such as superoxide dismutase and catalase), and even suppress the iron-catalyzed auto-oxidation of dopamine . In essence, selegiline not only stops the MAO-B reaction that produces H₂O₂, but also boosts the brain’s ability to neutralize any ROS that do form . These properties help shield neurons from oxidative damage. Additionally, selegiline has been found to promote neuronal survival through other mechanisms: it can increase levels of trophic factors, reduce apoptosis in certain models, and even mildly enhance dopamine release itself (selegiline’s metabolites include l-amphetamine, giving a modest stimulant-like effect). Importantly, pretreatment with selegiline protects dopaminergic neurons in toxin models – it can attenuate the damage caused by MPTP (a neurotoxin that kills dopamine neurons via an MAO-B–mediated metabolite), 6-hydroxydopamine, and other neurotoxins . This has positioned selegiline as a potential disease-modifying agent; for example, in Parkinson’s disease, early use of selegiline was associated with slower progression and improved survival in some studies .

Applying these insights to the stimulant tolerance scenario: if chronic stimulant use has led to excessive MAO-B activity and high HVA (high dopamine turnover), then selegiline could help “reset” the balance. By inhibiting MAO-B, selegiline would reduce HVA production, indicating that less dopamine is being shunted down the oxidative metabolism pathway. The result would be more dopamine conserved in nerve terminals and less oxidative stress. In theory, this could mitigate neurotoxic risk – essentially, selegiline puts a brake on the dopamine metabolic engine that was running too hot. There is some precedent for this approach. Selegiline has been tested in ADHD patients and in animal models for its dopamine-enhancing effects. In adults with ADHD, selegiline caused dose-dependent changes in plasma monoamine metabolites and was associated with improvements in attention, supporting the idea that it can modulate dysregulated monoamine activity (though results have been mixed) . More directly, in rodent studies of stimulant exposure, selegiline was found to attenuate amphetamine-induced dopamine release and turnover, acting almost like a buffer on the system .

From a clinical standpoint, selegiline (or other MAO-B inhibitors like rasagiline) might offer a two-pronged benefit for someone with stimulant-induced dopamine dysregulation: (1) Normalize dopamine metabolism – lowering the abnormally high HVA levels back toward normal by reducing excessive breakdown. This could improve neurotransmitter homeostasis and possibly alleviate some tolerance or withdrawal effects (since more dopamine is available for signaling). (2) Neuroprotection – by curbing dopamine’s oxidative catabolism, selegiline would reduce ROS generation in the brain, which over the long term could protect dopaminergic neurons from further damage. This neuroprotective aspect is well-recognized in neurodegenerative contexts and likely extends to any situation of chronic oxidative stress on dopamine neurons (such as high-dose stimulant exposure).

It’s worth noting that selegiline’s protective effects are preventive rather than regenerative – for example, in some experiments selegiline did not reverse methamphetamine-induced dopamine terminal loss if given after the injury . Thus, the optimal use would be early intervention or concurrent use to blunt neurotoxic processes. Also, while selegiline is generally safe at low doses (with minimal risk of tyramine interactions), adding it to a stimulant regimen should be approached cautiously and clinically monitored, since boosting dopamine too much can have its own risks (e.g. hypertensive reactions or exacerbating stimulant effects).

Clinical Relevance and Summary

Tolerance to stimulants often indicates the brain’s dopamine system has adjusted – receptors might be downregulated and metabolic enzymes upregulated – leading to increased dopamine breakdown and high HVA output as a compensatory mechanism. Such elevated HVA is a red flag for dysregulated dopamine metabolism, and it may coincide with oxidative stress that can gradually harm the dopamine pathways. This is not merely a theoretical concern: chronic stimulant abusers show biochemical signs (high HVA, low dopamine) and clinical signs (cognitive and motor slowing, higher Parkinson’s risk) of dopaminergic injury . Monitoring dopamine metabolites in long-term stimulant patients could thus be informative – e.g. a rising HVA trend might suggest the development of tolerance or toxicity in progress.

Selegiline offers a mechanistically sound strategy to address this issue. By dampening dopamine catabolism, it can correct an excessively elevated HVA (bringing dopamine turnover down to more normal levels) and at the same time provide a neuroprotective cushion against dopamine-related oxidative damage. In practical terms, using a selective MAO-B inhibitor could help stabilize dopamine levels in someone with stimulant tolerance, potentially improving the treatment response (since more dopamine is available to stimulate receptors) and safeguarding the neuronal integrity of the dopamine system. The drug’s ability to induce antioxidant enzymes and anti-apoptotic pathways further adds to its neuroprotective profile. This is why selegiline has been explored not only in Parkinson’s disease but also as an augmentative therapy in depression and cognitive disorders – and theoretically, it could be repurposed to protect the dopamine system in stimulant users who are at risk of “burning out” their dopamine neurons.

In conclusion, tolerance to stimulant medication can be accompanied by elevated HVA levels, reflecting an overactive dopamine metabolism that may be maladaptive. Such a state is associated with dopamine dysregulation and potential neurotoxic consequences if high dopamine turnover (and its oxidative stress) persists chronically. Selegiline (MAO-B inhibition) can counter these effects by reducing dopamine breakdown (lowering HVA) and mitigating oxidative stress, thereby offering a means to restore a healthier dopamine equilibrium and possibly preserve neuronal function . Peer-reviewed studies support the biochemical rationale: reducing HVA via MAO-B inhibition indicates less dopamine is being wasted and fewer toxic byproducts are formed, which is likely beneficial for the brain’s long-term health. While more research is needed to translate this approach to routine clinical use in stimulant-tolerant patients, the existing evidence strongly suggests that targeting dopamine metabolism (with agents like selegiline) is a promising strategy to address the metabolic and neurotoxic side of stimulant tolerance.

Sources:

  • Jori et al., Eur J Pharmacol (1977) – Tolerance to stimulant-induced HVA increase in rat striatum .
  • Roy et al., Am J Psychiatry (2002) – Elevated CSF HVA in abstinent cocaine users (dopamine dysregulation) .
  • Owen et al., Psychopharmacology (1981) – Chronic amphetamine in primates: dopamine depletion with near-normal HVA (compensatory turnover) .
  • Moratalla et al., Handbook of Neurotoxicity (2022) – Methamphetamine neurotoxicity: dopamine oxidative stress and PD risk .
  • Dopamine metabolism (reviewed in Wikipedia, citing enzymatic pathways) .
  • Heinonen et al., J Neural Transm (1993) – Selegiline in AD patients: lowered DOPAC and trend to lower HVA in CSF .
  • Ebadi et al., J Neurosci Res (2002) – Neuroprotective actions of selegiline: reduces oxidative radicals, boosts SOD/catalase, and delays apoptosis .
  • Zetterström et al., BJP (1994) – Chronic selegiline in rats: increased basal dopamine, altered amphetamine-induced HVA output . (Also see Riederer & Laux, 2011 for MAO-B in dopamine metabolism.)
  • Ernst et al., Neuropsychopharm. (1997) – Selegiline in adult ADHD: monoamine metabolite changes (plasma HVA) .
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How to read the pattern

“low tyrosine + high HVA”

Marker What it measures Why they usually move together What the combination suggests
Tyrosine (blood, plasma, or organic-acid panel) Available precursor for catecholamine synthesis (dopamine → norepinephrine → epinephrine) Falls when dietary supply is low or when neurons are converting it to catecholamines faster than it can be replaced Substrate is becoming rate-limiting for dopamine production
Homovanillic acid (HVA) (CSF or urine) Final breakdown product of dopamine after MAO + COMT/ALDH metabolism Rises when large amounts of dopamine are being catabolised (stress, stimulants, impaired conversion to NE, gut microbial production, etc.) Turn-over of dopamine is high—and each molecule oxidised produces ROS

Putting the two together:

Low precursor supply with high end-product excretion means “high-demand, low-supply.”

Your neurons are burning through dopamine so quickly that tyrosine pools cannot keep up, so the system tries to maintain function by accelerating turnover—which shows up as high HVA. Over time that can leave you simultaneously depleted (functionally “dopamine-deficient”) and under more oxidative stress from the excessive breakdown.


1. The biochemistry in one page

  1. Tyrosine → L-DOPA → dopamine (rate-limiting enzyme tyrosine hydroxylase, requires Fe²⁺ and BH₄).
  2. Dopamine is either:
  • Converted to norepinephrine by DBH (needs copper + vitamin C), or
  • Oxidised by MAO/COMT → HVA, the inert metabolite cleared in urine.Excessive MAO activity yields H₂O₂ and other ROS.
  1. When neurons fire fast (chronic stimulants, stress, mania, intense exercise) they use tyrosine faster; tyrosine then becomes rate-limiting and catecholamine stores fall unless the diet/synthesis keeps pace.
  2. Depleting tyrosine experimentally (tyrosine-free amino-acid drink) cuts brain tyrosine ~50 % and lowers dopamine synthesis/release 20-45 % within hours.

2. Why you can end up with low tyrosine

and

high HVA

Mechanism How it pushes tyrosine down How it drives HVA up
Chronic stimulant exposure / tolerance Accelerates TH activity & substrate use Raises dopamine release; repeated dosing up-regulates MAO/COMT ➜ more HVA
Acute or chronic stress Stress hormones up-regulate catecholamine release and deplete tyrosine; studies show military-style stress depletes tyrosine unless supplemented. Same stress cascade accelerates dopamine catabolism, so HVA rises
Impaired conversion to norepinephrine (DBH/copper/-vit C issues) Dopamine backs up → more is shunted to MAO/COMT Elevated HVA : VMA ratio signals this pattern.
Gut microbiota & diet Some microbes convert tyrosine to p-cresol (which further inhibits DBH) Several gut species and polyphenols directly raise urinary HVA.
Low protein intake / malabsorption Simply not enough substrate absorbed Any dopamine made still breaks down, so HVA can remain high
High-dose L-DOPA or levodopa-carbidopa Tyrosine pools fall via mass-action toward dopamine HVA high because exogenous L-DOPA is metabolised

3. Clinical meaning

A. Functional “dopamine deficit” risk

Even though HVA is high, the pool of releasable dopamine can be falling because the precursor supply is limiting. Symptoms can flip between hyper-adrenergic (during release surges) and hypo-dopaminergic (fatigue, low motivation, anhedonia) as stores swing.

B. Oxidative stress & neurotoxic load

Each pass through MAO produces H₂O₂; high turnover without adequate antioxidants or MAO-B control has been linked to dopaminergic cell stress in stimulant models of neurotoxicity.


4. What to check next

Lab / Parameter Why
HVA : VMA ratio > ~1.5 suggests dopamine prefers catabolism over conversion to NE (look at copper, vit C, DBH SNPs).
Other catecholamine metabolites (DOPAC, 3-MT) Helps localise where in the pathway the traffic jam occurs
Serum amino-acids (phenylalanine, BCAAs) Competing LNAAs and phenylalanine supply affect brain tyrosine transport
Micronutrients Iron & BH₄ (TH), copper & vit C (DBH), B6/B2, magnesium, SAMe (COMT)
Inflammation / gut dysbiosis markers p-cresol and some clostridial species inhibit DBH
Thyroid and cortisol Hyperthyroid or high cortisol states amplify catecholamine turnover

5. Intervention menu

(always in consultation with your clinician)

  1. Restore precursor supplyDietary: ≥ 1.0 g/kg high-quality protein or targeted L-tyrosine 500 – 2000 mg, dosed away from other proteins to leverage LAT-1 transport.Cofactor bundle: vitamin C 500 mg, copper 1–2 mg (watch high-dose zinc), iron repletion, active folate/BH₄, B6/B2, Mg.
  2. Tamp down excessive breakdownMAO-B control: low-dose selegiline/rasagiline can lower MAO-derived H₂O₂ and HVA while sparing dopamine; this is exactly why it is considered neuroprotective in Parkinson’s.Antioxidants: NAC, lipoic acid, glutathione support clear MAO-related ROS.
  3. Rebalance conversion to norepinephrineCorrect copper/vit C deficits; evaluate DBH genetic variants; manage gut-derived DBH inhibitors (p-cresol).
  4. Review stimulant regimen & stress loadDose reductions, drug holidays, or switching to agents with less dopamine efflux (e.g., lisdexamfetamine ↔ methylphenidate) can reduce turnover. Layer behavioural stress-management or adaptogens if cortisol runs high.
  5. Retest after 4–6 weeksExpect tyrosine to normalise first; HVA often lags, falling once MAO flux slows and redox balance improves.

Key take-away

Low tyrosine with high HVA is a “red-flag ratio” for an over-revving but substrate-starved dopamine system.

Address the bottleneck from both ends—feed the pathway with adequate tyrosine and cofactors, and cool the breakdown side (oxidative load, MAO over-activity, impaired DBH). Balance usually returns only when both sides are managed.

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