I am biased towards things that work and safely, based on available information.
There is a famous quote from Deng Xiaoping which summarizes my view on supplements vs. drugs: “It doesn’t matter whether a cat is black or white, as long as it catches mice.”

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Since you brought up Deng and cats, let me quote his good buddy…
“We did get something, a gift, after the election … You know what it was? It was a little cocker spaniel dog … black and white, spotted, and our little girl Tricia, the six year old, named it Checkers. And you know, the kids, like all kids, loved the dog, and I just want to say this, right now, that regardless of what they say about it, we’re going to keep it.”
Richard Nixon
That’s the way I feel about supplements…“regardless of what they say about (them), (I’m) going to keep (them).”

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Didn’t Deng Xiaoping also say, “Let them eat tank”? Or am i getting my historical quotes mixed up??

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I personally use Acarbose and Empagliflozin instead of berberine but if someone didn’t have access to those drugs, I could see berberine being beneficial.

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I did use berberine for awhile when I didn’t have access to statins.

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Did you get any results in terms of lipids, ApoB on blood tests?

Yes, apoB a bit lower probably.

Gaaaa!!! I almost spit out my broccoli! Are you feeling OK? Berberine really?

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I’ve posted about this here:

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Someone reported that berberine increased LS by testing them via Ora Biomedical [it might have not been in isolation

Already discussed here:

If you scroll up you see subsequent discussion about berberine after it.

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You’re like an onion…you have layers…and sometimes you make my eyes water.

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Let’s not forget Berberine also lowers blood glucose levels;
“Lower fasting blood glucose levels by up to 20%
Lower post-meal blood glucose levels by up to 12%
Lower HbA1c (a marker for long-term blood glucose control)
Increase insulin sensitivity and reduce insulin resistance
Increase insulin production by pancreatic beta cells
The mechanisms behind these effects are not fully understood, but likely involve inhibition of enzymes that break down carbohydrates and effects on how cells take up glucose.”

“Compared with existing glucose-lowering agents, berberine has significant advantages and broad application prospects, which are briefly reviewed as follows: 1) Berberine has multiple glucose-lowering mechanisms, including improving insulin resistance, regulating glucose metabolism, regulating blood lipid metabolism, anti-inflammatory effects, protecting islet cells, and antioxidant effects”

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Short video. 7 Benefits of Berberine.

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This was my Ora Medical worm challenge. I chose berberine (which I love) and it did increase lifespan in worms. If only those worms were just small versions of people!

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And the results for berberine it is in line with some of the previous research done on mice.

.Berberine as an mTOR Inhibitor that Reduces Generation of Senescent Cells and Extends Life Span in Mice – Fight Aging!

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Have there been any trials in healthy adults? Seems promising for diabetics but a lot of people on these forums saw no effect on bloods.

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I’ve started using berberine a couple of months ago, mainly to decrease fasting blood glucose, which too often was starting to approach the threshold of 100 mg/dL. I did try a low-carb diet, it was effective in keeping FBG around 90 mg/dL, but it also caused an undesired weightloss.

I started with 400 mg/d (Swanson Berberine), then 800 mg/d same brand, and presently 1000 mg/d another local brand, with black pepper and chrome picolinate added.

The effect on FBG seems to be evident so far with values ranging usually in the 90-95 mg/dL region, sometimes lower than 90.

What impressed me though, was the conspicuous effect on hunger, the neurological signal of it. I’ve read the literature on berberine as a stimulant of GLP-1, and I recognize the effects of GLP1- receptor agonist drugs as described in other threads. For example, Steve Combi described how GLP1-RAs can liberate you from the constant signal of hunger.

To me berberine had a similar effect. I have low adiposity and don’t eat much, but this supplement seems to provide a significant detachment from food. The hedonistic attachment is now blunted, and I’m viewing the food more as a means to nourish the body. I am presently decreasing by half or one-third the portions of vegetables, otherwise, I would reach full satiety before being able to eat calorie-dense foods.

Again, the effect on me was dramatic; before this, sometimes I tended to overindulge in some tasty healthy foods especially sweets at the end of a meal. Tonight I was only able to eat minuscule portions.

I’m enjoying such mental detachment but my purpose is not weight loss. I’m going to monitor my body weight and if it drops beyond 3 pounds I’m going to halve the daily dosage, eventually discontinuing. And maybe I’ll use the present dosage when wanting to go through short periods of caloric restriction or Longo’s FMD.

I’ll take note if this is just a casual occurrence, but the association is pretty strong. It may really be that, for some people, berberine is nature’s ozempic.

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50 bucks for 60 caps of 150 mg.

Berberine is recommended for women with PCOS. Studies show it is less effective than Metformin in reducing blood sugar but more effective in reducing weight. " Berberine has been shown to reduce the secretion of leptin, an appetite-stimulating hormone. Berberine has also shown to be effective at assisting with weight and body fat loss by inhibiting the enzyme lipoprotein lipase, which is responsible for fat storage."

Both can cause gastrointestinal problems but berberine is usually less severe. They both reduce inflammation. For PCOS it is recommended to take 500 mg 3 times a day.

I have RA which causes mitochondrial dysfunction - profound fatigue. " Based on current research, berberine appears to be comparable to metformin in its ability to address mitochondrial dysfunction, as both medications work through similar mechanisms by activating AMP-activated protein kinase (AMPK) and improving insulin sensitivity, thereby positively impacting mitochondrial function; however, some studies suggest berberine may have additional benefits regarding lipid metabolism, potentially making it a more comprehensive option in certain situations."

" While both berberine and metformin have shown potential benefits for rheumatoid arthritis (RA) due to their anti-inflammatory properties, metformin is generally considered the more established and clinically proven option for treating RA as it has more robust research supporting its efficacy, particularly when used alongside standard RA medications; however, berberine may be a potential alternative for some individuals, especially if they cannot tolerate metformin or are looking for a natural supplement with anti-inflammatory effects.

One of the down sides of Rapapmycin is it can cause mitochondrial dysfunction. Metformin can reverse mitochondrial dysfunction caused by rapamycin.

Regarding prolonging life span, inflammation causes aging. High blood sugar causes inflammation. Sugar, processed food, fried food, seed oils, alcohol and red meat cause inflammation.

I am trying berberine first and then Metformin if I do not get results.

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