#712

Are you aware / what are your thoughts on the potential ranges of probability that longevity escape velocity could kick in at some point the next 45-55 years?

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#713

You need to do your own research… There are thousands of studies. This is an opinion piece. I thought was interesting. Good luck on your journey!

https://www.salon.com/2023/10/01/blue-zones-have-captivated-health-and-longevity-experts-but-are-they-real-or-statistical-grift/

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#714

I think maybe your statement goes a bit too far but I’m definitely with you about his rejuvenated face. Considering that he uses sculptra and fat grafts and weekly laser treatments his skin hasn’t even improved as much as it should have. I like seeing what he’s doing and the results he publishes but time to be extra careful when he starts selling supplements or meals.

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#715

I try to do a lot of my research. But when in don’t have solid evidence I don’t make black and white claims

So when you say something “low calorie, Mediterranean has been debunked” it’s on you to be able to share the evince for such a strong statement

Based on my reading of the literature it’s difficult to say anything with confidence about diets

Still there is a probably at least as much support for the Mediterranean diet as there is for any other diet

And the mechanistic data for low calorie diets impacting longevity in disease pathways in positive ways seems much stronger than in the other direction

So I was surprised to see someone not just say that they don’t see there being evidence for those things, but something massively stronger in that they have been “debunked”

Would just appreciate it if we kept with this forums general practice of distinguishing among what is fact, what is a based on data, what is a theory, what is a hypothesis, what is a feeling and what is an opinion.

And balance strength of statements to match the degree of confidence one reasonably can have in different things

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#716

Yeah here are some basics in philosophy that’s worthwhile to read.

If someone makes a black and white statement, with absolute certainty, and if they don’t show their reasoning and proof for the statement, then it’s easy to assume they don’t know what they’re talking about as they based their statement on basically nothing.

It’s not as if it’s important for debate. It’s important because it helps us build an accurate worldview for our selves.

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#717

There seems to be debunking of the debunking on the blue zones diet… see here: Inside the top 5 places in the world where people live the longest —past 100 - #19 by RapAdmin

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#718

I think that since the lifespan of Hong Kong and Japan are the two highest in the world, we should take a look at that. I believe the large amounts of seafood consumed (fish and others) would lead us to believe that higher doses of taurine are life-extending as seafood contains a high amount of taurine.

Also, the people are quite short (relatively) and thin. Of course there are other factors as well like fewer accidental deaths. I do think that the blue zones do lead us to some choices that improve longevity.

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#719

I find the long lifespans in Hong Kong and Singapore especially interesting. More people live, compared to Spain. Italy, France in Crowded metropolitan areas with intense urban lifestyle.

Far from our evolutionary environment. In this perspective, urbanization seems not to be detrimental?

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#720

I live in Hong Kong, so I have been adapting to the lifestyle here. Other things I’ve noted is that the locals don’t eat salad, because they like cooked vegetables. I have not been able to eat cooked lettuce as it is slimy, but my wife likes it.

They also steam a lot of their food. For instance we usually eat a steamed fish at dinner that had been swimming in a tank that afternoon. Also a majority of dim sum, the local cuisine, is steamed. Also, free public healthcare helps a lot.

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#721

Diet is important but a complex factor to use when comparing populations. Could a healthy lifestyle, on an aggregate social level, be downstream of the material wealth and the educational level of the population?

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#722

Hong Kong has the highest GINI coefficient in the world. This means that the disparity between the richest and the poorest is the greatest. We have some of the richest people and we have people who are treated like animals (Google Cage Homes Hong Kong).

Fortunately there is public healthcare for all. Even the poorest folks can get the operations they need for cancer or their heart plus the best therapies afterwards. One of my uncle-in-laws is having a surgery tomorrow at a public hospital to remove a lung tumor that would cost 40,000 USD at a private hospital.

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#723

Look at what they ate in the past, not what they eat now.
It is the same error people looking at the Med today.

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#724

The most common cause of shortened lifespan is gluttony.

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#725

That’s not what I said, you’ve misunderstood one sentence…(perhaps I came across brash) I am on a calorie restriction diet for a decade. It works well for me. When I said do your own research, basically what I should’ve said in a nicer way you need to do what’s right for your body there’s plenty of research out there you can gauge the pros and cons. There is no cookie-cutter approach. You’ll hear it time and time again that CR restriction is not all and the evidence in humans is still questionable.-Happy New Year! Be well live long !

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#726

I agree that being Obese is a bad thing. (A thing I have personal experience of) However, I don’t think CR is the best route towards extended healthspan.

#727

CR is complicated and makes life complex, just like low sodium diets (as sodium is in everywhere).
What’s the point of a long life if it’s spent with eyes in the back of your head?

At least taking a few medications aren’t complicated.

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#728

I disagree. It can be really quite complex if you are trying to nudge your metabolism in an direction that works more effectively.

On the other hand it is worth the effort.

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#729

I’m thinking out loud. I guess trying to be average for the sake of average is pretty boring, hence making certain things ‘complicated’, might be worth the effort.

I think I like how I feel on low sodium diets.

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#730

I end up supplementing sodium, but also I drink a lot of alcohol from time to time (such as now)

#731

If you think that will increase your overall wellbeing under the curve then that is good.