#103

Good catch - thanks…

#104

The lead author mentioned this later in the video as well, I don’t remember exactly what he said.

#105

Yes it was. At that point in the video I thought to myself I should just read the article.

#106

@RapAdmin It is a very well done video. I’m convinced the analysis was not falsified. That doesn’t mean it makes it easy for us to know how to avoid the problems of red meat, fish, eggs, etc. while we aim for sufficient protein.

I think the most value for me comes from the proof that you can’t trust internet influencers to be honest about anything. Be careful what you let into your mind.

“Have an open mind but not so open your brain falls out.”

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#107

He said something among the lines that association is stronger in that group because there are less other confounding factors (like obesity etc.) or in other words with lean, healthy people who exercise regularly it is easier to directly link red meat consumption with T2D.

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#108

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It’s not looking good for Peter Attia’s 10 venison sticks per day. Just saying.

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#109

They also have 380 mg sodium per stick which is about 3 times the amount the Yanomami indians have in one day.

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#110

If vegetarianism/veganism was clearly superior for extreme longevity then the list of longest living people should be predominantly Hindus and Mexicans (Who also seem to have a large number of vegetarians and vegans). Instead the average life expectancy in India and Mexico is about 70 years. Are there any vegetarians/vegans on the verified longest living people list at all?

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#111

What were they eating?

#112

Yes - true. The fish data was also surprising, but it seems likely that the issue may have been fried fish / battered fish, etc., and not just simply prepared salmon, sardines, etc. (at least that is my hope).

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#113

Has anyone tried to just eat a low protein intake but exercise properly, and see the result on muscle strength and mass? Inigo san millan comes to mind. He ate 0.8 g/kg with a plant-based diet for 5 weeks, but didn’t lose any strength hence he concluded he didn’t lose any muscle. His cholesterol and other biomarkers improved of course.

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https://twitter.com/doctorinigo/status/1588597125809856512

I could try to start weightlifting, bodybuilding at 0.8 g / kg, it would be a fun experiment.
But I’d had to be convinced it would improve well-being preferably on the short term too.

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#114

Yes, his assessment regarding PFAS in fish in North America and Europe causing high diabetes rates seem to contradict studies that say that PFAS in commercial fish are fairly low.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0013935120308276

#115

Neu5gc is apparently a thing. It is in beef, but not deer or elk.

#116

I think Chris MacAskill linked it to pollutants. Especially in farmed fish and shellfish.

Persistent organic pollutants (POPs for short) sound dangerous. That’s because they are.

POPs have been linked to several diseases, including Type 2 diabetes and obesity. Evidence suggests obesity might be even more of a risk factor for diabetes when POPs are present in your body. And specific types of POPs increase the risk of stroke in women.

Why does this matter? Because levels of PCB (polychlorinated biphenyl, which is one type of POP) are 16 times higher in farmed fish than in wild fish.

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#117

I am now almost completely plant based, aside from the occasional bit of cheese (vegan cheese is like licking someone’s smelly toe).

I originally did this for ethical reasons.

However, the inflammation benefits are insanely good, I recover so quickly from work outs, I achieve more than ever during my workouts, my skin is glowing, my face is so much less puffy, and I feel lighter physically & emotionally.

Also I used to have inflammation in my ankles which would make my feet ache a lot of the time - it’s completely gone.

I’m unsure on the reliability of this, but for what it’s worth I recently did the biological age calculator spreadsheet from this forum and I came up as 16 years old , I’m 29 in calendar years. I wonder if being plant based is anything to do with it, but I don’t have data from before.

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#118

If you put up your actual values it might be possible to suggest which biomarkers have been affected.

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#119

@John_Hemming hi John that is interesting, which variables do you think would be useful for working that out? I can post them when I’m on my PC next as I had to download the spreadsheet to use it.

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#120

In a sense the more the merrier. It is also useful to know if you are taking Rapamycin. However, as a minimum the variables in the spreadsheet would be a good start. If you have any comparable ones previously that might inform any conversation as well.

There is a problem with blood biomarkers (that exists with any measurement) in that there can be noise in the values.

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#121

Ok will pop it in here when I can. I am not taking rapamycin but I’m interested in starting it just a bit concerned about dosage. Planning to put my dog on it too, any extra time with him would be amazing.

For supplements I take;
VeCollal (vegan “collagen” I’m trialing this)
Vitamin C, K2, D3 + Zinc in a combined liquid
Omega 3
Bamboo Silica
Psilocybin microdose
Lions mane (both home grown no contaminates)

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#122

There are arguments as to whether you are too young to take it. One option, however, is to have a spring clean every year and take it then.

Be careful with zinc it is easy to take too much zinc.