#22

He’s going to say, oh my god, look at these side effects in transplants patients! Everyone must instead chew this “natural mTOR inhibitor” from these plants and “get the benefits without the risks”!

He is going to straw man.

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#23

I do get your point, but I imagine you would agree the large majority of people would be a million times healthier if they followed his lifestyle advice.

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#24

My assessment is that Greger is not a researcher and there is a lot of this that speaks to an audience. It is rare to have him say something that isn’t probably correct or almost correct; but it is often an overstatement of the science backing it. No, going WFPB won’t fix everything - but my goodness, we’d get rid of so much death and premature comorbidities. There are other valid pathways, this isn’t the only one …

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#25

That’s a big if, adherance rates are much higher with medications, and diet and lifestyle isn’t enough.

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#26

It’s interesting how the vast majority of Greger criticisms are simple ad hominem attacks demonizing vegetarianism/veganism, his skinny stature, etc rather than data-driven criticism of what he’s actually saying. Meat eaters love their meat, and cognitive dissonance is a powerful thing when confronted with so much evidence for health benefits of a WFPBD.

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#27

Dr. Gregor’s physical appearence is the greatest argument against his theories.

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#28

High calories bad, saturated fat bad, burned meat probably bad, fiber probably good. All other nutrition stances are debatable and/or based on weak studies.
So if Dr. Gregor is really trying to prove that his theories have merit and that a vegan diet keeps you young, he should at least look the part.

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#29

He looks like he does because he doesn’t do resistance training and is bald. Which of course is just a convenient distraction for those who don’t want to hear about the health benefits of a WFPBD.

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#30

What health benefits?

#31

How Not to Die: Discover the Foods Scientifically Proven to Prevent and Reverse Disease Amazon.com

Fully referenced.

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#32

That’s okay, but you can reference bad studies or cherry pick them.

#33

Sure, but someone could make the same sweeping claim about you and all the studies you’ve referenced on LDL and CVD reduction.

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#34

They are not in a book, if you post his claims here and studies it would be easier to show why it is cherry picked or why they are bad.

Here is an example of a debunk.

Here is another.

CAC of 323. What can my 77 yo father do about this?
#35

There you go, cherry picking again :wink:

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#36

Nah, same is true for erythritol, fish, pharma, statins, etc.

#37

New from just today. I’ll look forward to more details of this Ornish study.

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#38

Blah, blah, he’s still saying it can reverse atherosclerotic heart disease. False.

#39

It’s a new published study on Alzheimer’s disease. I haven’t had a chance to dig into it yet:

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#40

Still what’s said about ASCAD is false.

#41

You don’t think that intensive dietary and lifestyle modification which (among other effects) dramatically lowers LDL can cause some regression of atherosclerotic plaque?