#108

yes, but the point for Paulding protocol was and is (if you do it) there is no such thing as too late. It stops it at its tracks at any stage of progression. Not sure if true though (for everyone) but there is literally thousands of testimonials online that people had life saving results from it. Now it may not work for everyone, but I have mentioned it before that I have severe case of heart disease in my bloodline (.i.e three of my grandparents dropped dead in their 50’s, never met them, and my mom passed away in her 50’s, my dad lived with angina for about 30 years) yet I seem to be fine even though my preferred food is kajmak (basically sweet butter) but not the one you buy in the stores. It is the one you go to farmer you buy 20 liters of raw milk, you boil it, and let sit in pans for 24 hours. It creates a thick crust as all the fat accumulates at the top and that is the elixir of life (and death for some) if you ever are lucky enough to try it at least once in your lifetime. Yet my heart and everything else in between seems fine. How come I have not dropped dead yet as my closest ancestors did? Well, unfortunately for them Linus Paulding was not born yet at their time. LOL

I am in good mood today because I slept nine hours last night (first in about three months) so i can keep you guys entertained for a while. :joy::joy:

#109

So you’re saying to me, that these testimonials have showed a CT angiogram that detects plaque before and after the experiment? And you have as well, and it showed no plaque or reversal of plaque? Or did they just “make it up”, as how do you know they haven’t?

#110

No I swear when I first came up to this protocol by chance (i suspected, never tested myself that I might have a case of angina as I felt a bit of pain in my chest when exercising) I literally read more than thousands of testimonials where people “claimed” their conditions had reversed to the dismay of their doctors. and, yes many of them (in hundreds) claimed that they had CT scans and proof that happened. As I was really interested in this, I actually was able to contact couple of these dudes myself (they had left their emails) and they did show it to be true. Not sure if they did anything else also, and they thought it was the protocol but what thy claimed seemed to be true. I did do it myself for 6 months and my pain in chest disappeared (could have been something else, rather than angina since I never tested though)> I went pretty heavy duty even more than Paulding dude suggested (her suggested 6gr of each per day I did 9 grams of each per day for six months, 3gr three times a day).
Anecdotally, I felt stronger also, might have been placebo though. but As I have mentioned before this was 17 years ago, and ever since I have not gotten the cold or flu or covid/Sars virus ever, and I think the only reason it is because of this protocol as I use to get the flu/cold about three times a year.

As with everything else it might not work the same for everyone though. But If I were in the group where i am worried I would give it a try, don’t forgot the dude might have been a cuckoo but he was a very, very smart cuckoo and was giving scientific explanations to why it works and not basing it on anecdotal or I said so proof. LOL

#111

I’m sorry to tell you that it’s not possible to reverse plaque, it’s literally built into the arterial wall so it’s all B.S. If you rip out the plaque the artery goes with it, it is a part of the structure. They have not done CT angiogram before and after. That’s why prevention is most important.

#112

I’m not 100% sure that his protocol works (since my personal example is not 100% proof that it worked (never tested to know for sure it was angina), there is a chance that I had it and it worked though given my family history), but what you just said right now (with all due respect) is absolutely not true. It is simply impossible to be the case. Everything in the planet is reversible so long as a cure has been found for it. There is however cases where cures have not been discovered yet and this could be the case, but don’t bet on it that in near future there won’t be something that will melt it.

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#113

No, not atherosclerosis.

Show me the CT angiograms before and after then.

Chest pain is not a measurement. If you dilate blood vessels with beetroot juice that just means your arteries got wider so blood could go past the plaque. It’s not reversal of plaque.

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#114

You could be right, and as I noted I can’t prove it since I never tested to know for sure it was angina. It could have been some form of arthritis in my case who knows, but I know for a fact that I am in VERY risky category given family history, and I know I’m just fine and never watch what i eat. Actually tend to favor the worst such as animal products including butter, a big no no if in risk category.

#115

This is like a vaudeville show…it deserves it’s own thread. Where’s @RapAdmin ? Only one other person called Pauling, Linus Paulding (sp) but he escaped from the RapaDungeon long ago.

#116

Any scientific studies to back this up?

#117

Evidence for reversing atherosclerosis is mixed.

Some of the best evidence that coronary artery disease is reversible comes from autopsies performed on people who lived through prolonged periods of starvation during World War II. Their coronary arteries showed little or no atherosclerosis. But as the economies of war-stricken countries recovered and diets “improved,” atherosclerosis returned. These findings are considered proof that extreme dietary changes can cause atherosclerosis to melt away.

Ask the doctor: Is it possible to reverse coronary artery disease? - Harvard Health

#118

Yeah.

I’d like to see that full paper.

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#119

@AnUser and @Virilius ready for all challengers!

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#120

That horse has left the barn long time ago, he knows and has accepted it. Thanks but no thanks

#121

Yeah, but I’m still living in denial…

I’m still waiting for the shocking, switcheroo reveal at the end…the camera pans slowly down…OMG! He’s been a woman all this time!
https://www.buzzfeed.com/kaylayandoli/secrets-women-hide-from-men

#122

Gemfibrozil may have similar lp(a) lowering effect as beza/fenofibrate, without raising homocystein.

#123

Yes - I’m really a very reluctant moderator. Its not something I enjoy doing. I just want to have good discussions with well-informed people. If people what to “go off on the deep end” in their discussions, well… I tend to just ignore it for a while, and when I have time I’ll go back and delete all the nonsense posts.

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#124

Thanks for the suggestion. I looked it up and unfortunately gemfibrozil isn’t available in my country
( Belgium). Do you use it yourself?

#125

Well, I for one, think you are a brilliant moderator.
I have a ‘zero’ footprint :footprints: on the internet, and this is the only forum I’m an active member of, and that’s because of how well this forum is managed.
….and it’s up to us members to make your life as easy as possible.

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#126

I will be restarting it after measuring my lp(a), which was high the one time I checked it way back.

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#127

@Davin8r - did you ever figure out the wonkiness in your lp(a) blood tests?

My Lp(a) kept going up the last year or so (admittedly from a perhaps spuriously low/incorrect starting point, not sure I trust the green points). I even stopped my Repatha and Ezetimibe in case the combination of the both somehow could be increasing the Lp(a), but that did not decrease it. So clearly the tests are saying that this measure, that should not vary that much has gone up a lot for me. Whether it is in me, on that the test has been recalibrated is difficult to know…

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The three last bullets include one when on Repatha and two when off Repatha.

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