Do you feel safe turning your blood pressure readings over to the Chinese government?
Wow! I wasn’t aware that it had an inflatable wrist band that functions like a blood pressure cuff. That’s pretty neat! That’s pretty tiny for an air pump.

I personally don’t have a problem with the Chinese Govt tracking my blood pressure… have at it guys :wink:

But, I have more of an issue with the inflatable wrist band; I wonder how accurate it is and how long its going to work for; I think Aktiia uses perhaps a better technology: Aktiia Bracelet Review: Finally A Good Wearable Blood Pressure Monitor

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They can use it to monitor the effectiveness of their online disinformation campaigns :speak_no_evil:
The Aktiia tech does look interesting. Wonder if that is what Apple was planning?

Blood pressure monitoring isn’t proving to be as reliable as Apple hoped, Gurman says, while the sleep apnea detection was tied to blood oxygen saturation — a feature that’s been tied up after Masimo Corp successfully sued for patent infringement. Unless Apple can come up with a workaround or find a legal loophole, that feature is going to have to be delayed or scrapped altogether.

On a lighter note, it’s reported that Apple has made a major milestone on developing blood glucose tracking on the Apple Watch. But since this is described as a “long term goal” it’s unlikely that we’ll see it launch on this year’s models.

https://www.tomsguide.com/wellness/smartwatches/apple-watch-10-tipped-for-bigger-screen-but-it-could-miss-this-key-upgrade

I’ve recently learned that blood pressure spikes up and down like blood glucose does and I’m investigating whether that may influence the initiation of atherosclerosis.

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I have been wearing the akttia bracelet for a while. At the beginning, it read very little during the day (it is designed to make readings at 2 hours intervals). Then it improved with a software upgrade. Now the app is not recognizing the bracelet and I should write to assistance.
I mainly wore it in the night, the nightly values are usually lower and you can spot pretty quickly when you are ina deep sleep phase.

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Several papers showed that Aktiia is only accurate during the day. (I think I posted them in another thread)

But during the day it had a small percentage of successful reading, if so it is not such a useful device.

Again, it improved a little since the latest upgrade but, 2 hours reading frequency, some readings missed… :frowning_face: :frowning_face: :frowning_face:

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Are you using it on your “weak hand”? (e.g. left hand if you’re right handed) It can increase the number of readings. Also make sure it’s not too tight. I get one to two readings per hour.

I’m no linger using it but I was wearing it on my weak hand. I also noticed that other people (like my wife) had more frequent reading, so it’s maybe also a matter of wrist morphology. The strap was of the right tension, I think, as per producer’s suggestions.

Again, it may have improved but I’ll have to work out the present issues.

Open Access Paper:

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However going below 130 did not protect in this study: “SBP between 130 and 139 mm Hg was not associated with stroke (adjusted HR 1.71, 95% CI 0.87 to 3.36) while SBP ≥140 mm Hg was associated with increased stroke risk (adjusted HR 3.11, 95% CI 1.62 to 6.00).”

They note later: “In the crude analysis, SBP between 130 and 139 mm Hg was associated with stroke (HR 1.97, 95% CI 1.06 to 3.66) when compared with the category of <120 mm Hg (table 2). This association was attenuated by adjustment for covariates (HR 1.71, 95% CI 0.87 to 3.36). For the category of SBP ≥140 mm Hg, associations were significant in both the crude (HR 4.07, 95% CI 2.29 to 7.22) and adjusted analysis (HR 3.11, 95% CI 1.62 to 6.00).”

“Among adjustment covariates, smoking and sex were significantly associated with stroke risk.”

“These findings are consistent with those reported in the Coronary Artery Risk Development in Young Adults study, which found no significant association between blood pressure in the range of 130–139/80–89 mm Hg and incident stroke over a 28-year period.”

I’d like to see the all-cause mortality though.

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I think there are all sorts of things with high BP some of which may be where the BP is downstream rather than upstream.

However, measuring it is hard because it is so variable and requires a period of stability to get a reliable and steady state value.

I rely on measurements going to bed and getting up as they have a relatively static state and are hence comparable. However, I worry about the accuracy of reports based on things like the UK biobank as I am not sure the measurements for things like that are that consistent.

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Here they explain:

The clinical examination included measurements of blood pressure in the sitting and supine position after 10 min of rest, height and weight, hip and waist circumference, vital parameters, and ECG. Details on the study protocol and population characteristics have been described previously.
The main exposure variable, SBP at age 40, was measured after 2 min of seated rest by a trained study nurse using an automated blood pressure measurer (DINAMAP; Criticon, Tampa, Florida, USA). Three measurements with 1 min intervals were obtained, and the mean of the second and third readings were used in the analyses. SBP was categorised into four groups: <120 mm Hg, 120–129 mm Hg, 130–139 mm Hg and ≥140 mm Hg, with <120 mm Hg as the reference group.

It seems like a good protocol.

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Its a good protocol, but it would be interesting to see measurements on the minute for a number of minutes after someone sits down.

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I’m not sure why you guys but if I sit down and take deep breathes, my blood pressure drops between 10 to 20. From 130/88 to 110/75. If I talk while having the blood pressure taken it is higher than if I kept silent. What is the correct protocol, if there is one?

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All the big studies I’ve ever seen have used BP measurement after sitting/resting for at least a couple of minutes, but I think that with newer, easier and more accurate methods of continuous BP monitoring we’ll start to see more studies that give us data on average 24 hr BP, BP variability, etc that will give us much more nuanced insight into these variables and health outcomes.

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The European Society of Hypertension (ESH) published its updated guidelines last year: https://journals.lww.com/jhypertension/fulltext/2023/12000/2023_esh_guidelines_for_the_management_of_arterial.2.aspx

Today, the European Society of Cardiology (ESC) published its own updated guidelines. They used to work together but somehow they split this time :person_shrugging:

The ESH kept the 140/90 mmHg definition of hypertension for beginning treatment. The ESC did not go as far as the Americans to redefine hypertension as 130/80 but they found an intermediary path: x.com

Anything above 120/70 mmHg is now considered “elevated” (for the ESH it’s 130/85):

Drug treatment recommended for everyone above 140/90 and for people “at risk” above 130/80:

Target = SBP of 120 mmHg.

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More on these updated European guidelines:

The “non-elevated” threshold for SBP is identical to the American guidelines but for DBP it’s even lower (70 vs 80 mmHg):

Protocol:
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However, there is at present insufficient scientific consensus on the accuracy standards and validation procedures that these cuffless devices must comply with prior to commercialization. In view of these issues, none of these cuffless measurement modalities are currently recommended for routine clinical use.

Epidemiological studies demonstrate a continuous and log-linear association between BP and adverse CVD outcomes. Starting at levels as low as 90 mmHg systolic, the higher the BP the higher the relative risk of CVD including atherosclerosis.
In compiling this categorization, priority was given to evidence from randomized trials over observational data. However, it is important to reiterate that the risk of CVD attributable to BP is continuous and that interpreting randomized trial data is an iterative process involving an element of subjectivity. As such, no categorization of BP can be considered immutable or flawless.

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Here, we introduce a new BP category called ‘elevated BP’, which is defined as an office systolic BP of 120–139 mmHg or diastolic BP of 70–89 mmHg. Within this BP range, the efficacy of BP-lowering therapy has been established in meta-analyses of RCTs,but average CVD risk in the elevated BP group is not sufficiently high to merit drug treatment in all patients.

I was surprised they used “non-elevated”, they explain it:

Non-elevated BP is defined as a systolic BP of <120 mmHg and a diastolic BP of <70 mmHg. Fewer individuals within this BP range are at increased risk of CVD, and evidence for CVD benefit with BP-lowering pharmacological treatment is lacking due to an absence of trials. We use the term ‘non-elevated BP’ to define this BP category in recognition that these are treatment categories and not prognostic categories. Because the relative risk for CVD starts to increase at BP below this threshold (even as low as 90 mmHg systolic BP), particularly among women, we avoid terms like ‘normal BP’, ‘optimal BP’, or ‘normotension’ in defining this category.

Still:

Furthermore, research data indicate that, to optimally reduce CVD risk, achieving an on-treatment BP of 120/70 mmHg is the best point on the BP target range provided in our guideline recommendations

The lower the better…

In line with the latest research they recommend isometric resistance training:
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On beta-blockers:

Beta-blockers and diuretics, especially when combined, are associated with an increased risk of new-onset diabetes in predisposed patients.
Beta-blockers should also be avoided in patients with isolated systolic hypertension or more generally with arterial stiffness, as they increase stroke volume (given the lower heart rate).
A vasodilating beta-blocker (e.g. labetalol, carvedilol, or nebivolol) is preferred when a beta-blocker is chosen.
The reason why beta-blockers are not considered first-line BP-lowering medications (outside of compelling indications) is not because of inferior BP-lowering properties (particularly for vasodilating beta-blockers), but because of inferior efficacy in reducing CVD events (particularly stroke) among patients with hypertension, and tolerance issues.

Low-dose combo is preferred:

Upfront low-dose combination therapy is therefore recommended in persons with hypertension, with the potential advantages of fewer side effects and swifter BP control being important for long-term adherence.

Isolated systolic hypertension in young adults (ISHY):

In young patients with isolated systolic hypertension, arterial stiffness and relative risk of CVD events appear to be similar to those without isolated systolic hypertension and lower than young adults with combined systolic-diastolic hypertension and isolated diastolic hypertension. Indeed, younger patients with isolated systolic hypertension appear to comprise a heterogeneous group. For these reasons, it might be reasonable to assess central BP and arterial stiffness in these individuals, as recommended by other scientific societies.

Orthostatic hypotension

However, the frequency of orthostatic hypotension is not increased in the more intensive BP-lowering arms of randomized trials compared with the less intensive BP-lowering arms. As such, and in contrast to common belief, it does not appear that more intensive treatment of BP (which almost always requires more BP-lowering medication) worsens orthostatic hypotension. In contrast, there is some evidence that more intensive treatment of hypertension may actually reduce the risk of orthostatic hypotension.

For dementia:

While one trial suggested superiority of long-acting CCBs, it is unclear if any first-line BP-lowering agent is preferable for preventing dementia and cognitive impairment.

Key messages:

The risk for CVD attributable to BP is on a continuous log-linear exposure variable scale, not a binary scale of normotension vs. hypertension.
Despite the growing number of hypertension guidelines, the rates of diagnosis, treatment, and control of hypertension (and elevated BP) remain suboptimal. A major factor underlying this is poor implementation of evidence-based guidelines in real-world clinical practice.

They also published a supplement with more details, they note:

Systolic BP appears to be a stronger determinant of CVD risk than diastolic BP.
Observational studies of community-based populations have reported that incremental pulse pressure is associated with an increased risk of CVD events, including coronary heart disease and heart failure. However, after adjusting for other BP parameters such as systolic BP, diastolic BP, or mean arterial pressure, pulse pressure is a weaker predictor of CVD events than these other BP parameters.
Related to this association between BP variability and risk, among patients on BP-lowering medication, time in target range seems to be the best measurement to predict the risk of major adverse CVD events. Nevertheless, the clinical role of BP variability in guiding treatment decisions appears limited, in particular because it has not been established that (i) the link between BP variability and CVD events is causal, and (ii) interventions specifically designed to reduce BP variability result in fewer CVD events, particularly over and above the effect of BP-lowering medication on mean BP value.

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I went to the doctor recently for an appointment specifically to have them do a standard office measurement of my blood pressure. So what do they do? Have me walk off the scale into the exam room, sit on the edge of the exam bed with no back support, slap the cuff on me, and take the measurement. The American medical system is incapable of doing a simple thing properly if that thing doesn’t seem efficient.

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Yes, Hawthorn worked for me and for other posters here, but it may not have universal application.

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The best way to take BP is to measure your BP at resting state, discard the reading and wait for 5 min, then take the second reading.

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