#431

The biggest change i saw with Epithalon was a good increase in sense of smell. From what I’ve researched that could be indicative of increased stem cell production.

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#432

What a strange coincidence. I was driving my daughter to the store this evening, and I said to my daughter, “I’m getting my sense of smell back, and I don’t know if that is a blessing or a curse. I am smelling things I don’t want to smell.”
As Epitalon is the only new thing I have been taking, it is probably the Epitalon. I have been taking it daily for 6+ weeks. I have never seen this reported before.

I am taking Epitalon for the possible telomere-lengthening effect. I have had nothing but pleasant side effects, and I plan on taking Epitalon indefinitely.

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#433

I plan on using Epitalon every evening at bedtime indefinitely.

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#434

That is interesting, I do have a pretty acute sense of smell already so I may not notice this but I’ve only been taking Eipthalon for about 6 weeks.

About 2 months ago I did an initial dosing regimen of 3mg for about 4 weeks to see if I would have any adverse reaction. I do that before introducing any thing new to my wife :slight_smile: I did not notice much at that time. I’ve dropped it to 150mcg as 100mcg is indicated as being the proper dose and going over that, the excess is metabolized.

The sleep improvement was just noticeable this past week. So we’ll see if my great sense of smell improves and becomes my new super power. :slight_smile:

What I’d really love to experience is a reduction in my tinnitus. I’ve seen a few people indicate that Oxytocin helped them with that, so I have some on the way to experiment with :slight_smile:

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#435

What is “MAX-5 Super Mix”?

#436

It´s a common effect of Epithalon, although I am not sure if it will continue indefinitely. What dose are you using?

#437

That excess being metabolized does not pose any dangers, correct?

#438

FYI all a status report of whether Ipamorlan/Tesamorlan can work in >>70yo. I’ve taken a bit over a month of the organ rejuvination peptides; epitalon, pinealon, thymulin (?? spelling) and have been adding the HGH secretagoges. In a help to someone who is quoting literature that Drs/others pick up; If you are older then XX, IE >70yro these HGH secretagogs are likely to be ineffective.

I’m 71yo, leanish, 162# at 5’ 10", low carb/carnivor, keep glucose <<90. I was currious re my taking std upon rising dose of ipamorlan/CJC no DAC + Tesamorelan is a waste of $$ and needle holes??

The best measure of HGH is IGF-1 (I’m told).

Pre peptide IGF-1 numbers: 9/23 IGF-1=117nm/ml, [rapa + a bunch of stuff in this year] - 9/24 IGF-1 = 167nm/ml [range 53-222] , post a few weeks of AM Ipa/Tesa 10/24 IGF**-1=279** range[22-222]

Ok ok I cheated a bit just to make sure I got some rise. I had no idea it would jump to over the range.

  • Took normal dose in the AM prior 5 days plus a half dose of Ipamorlan/CJC with DSIP at bed.
  • Blood draw day: Took the upon rising dose the day of blood draw at 7am, blood draw at 9am.
  • A fairer test would be a blood draw and NO Ipa/Tesa in the am. I have no idea the half life of IGF-1 or if the body produces it for a few days…

Regardless for my body, 71yo, the HGH peptides work. I feel more interested in excersizing. Muscle is growing fast.

For muscle growth/maintenance for the older, I use and recommend this device: kaatsu c4. Search in youtube for use. It works. My arm muscle bulges. I look like a high school wrestler. I was just wanting the Ipa/Tesa to help with an 1" thick belly fat layer. I’m getting leg/arm muscles with the help of the kaatsu + Ipa+ Tesa + the organ rejuv peptides, as well.

Its only money and belly puncture sites… ;( Good luck, curt

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#439

If 100mcg is the actual dose, another 50mcg that may or may not get metabolized as waste is probably not going to do much. There are more “things” getting reduced to waste in our bodies on a second by second basis than I can count.

Especially when you consider many people are taking 10mg (10,000mcg) in a single dose. Which if the information from the people who developed this peptide is correct is 100 times the recommended dose. Meaning that 9,900 mcg is being metabolized as waste or ~ 198 times my “waste” :slight_smile:

The good thing about knowing the real dose is that using this peptide becomes incredibly inexpensive.

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#440

Your test results are very interesting, great to see. Also your muscle response as well.

I prefer to take this combo just before bedtime. My goal with this particular intervention is to enhance the normal night time production of hGH. Upon going to sleep and within about 2 hours is when the most hGH is produced naturally.

I was doing Kaatsu 4 years ago but drifted away from it. Will get back at that as the many benefits of that process are quite interesting. Nice to see another member here pushing those somewhat uncommon interventions.

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#441

It’s a mix of 5 “interesting” compounds that have some clinical evidence of benefit. The key though is dosing. To get the dose I use would cost $500 to $600 per month at retail.

One example of the dose issue is with Spermidine. Less than 25mg per dose has little to no effect on the appropriate blood markers. Most companies are selling 5mg to 17mg doses. Very few are offering the 98% pure version, they are selling wheat germ extracts.

I started this experiment to see if it would the needle and it sure has. So now I’m considering offering it as a product. I like to see if something works for me first :slight_smile: To keep costs under control I would only offer this as a mixed powder that one would add to a shake. Encapsulating and bottling is expensive for a variety of reasons.

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#442

Pretty amazing results, Curt! Are you concerned at all about cancer? Have you considered doing one of the new full-body MRI scans? I’m about to pull the trigger on one just to help make sure I don’t have any suspicious growths/tumors that could be accelerated by x/y/z.

#443

I am taking 0.5mg daily at bedtime, which gives me 20 doses of reconstituted 10mg of Epitalon.
This is 10 units on an insulin syringe.

Unfortunately, the recommended dose of Epitalon is undefined because no one seems to know the exact difference between Epitalon and an equivalent dose of Epithalamin.

My dose may be high or low depending on which guru you choose to listen to.
I would like to know if anyone can supply definitive evidence on the proper dose to use for telomere extension.

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#444

According to a guru I’ve been following who seems reasonable, the dose was an error in translation from the original Russian epithalamin/epithalon studies resulting in a 100-fold difference and therefore the 100 ug to 500 ug dose is correct. (I can’t link or copy/paste from that forum or I could get excommunicated). She recommends once daily dosing for 10 days out of each month.

#445

I think I will reduce my daily dose to 0.1mg because it seems reasonable that this would be effective in the long term and would save money. I plan to take it daily because of the sleep benefits and my interpretation that it takes a long time to significantly affect telomere length.

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#447

We bought into the every 2 yr EBC (electron beam scan) technology full body. Was pricy; $7k one time for life time. LOL So if any lump thing will be caught.

The atlanta facility is where you might find an EBC near you: https://www.virtualimagingatl.com

My nutrical stack is so anti inflammatory, anti cancer plus I’m very healthy metabolicly, avoid carbs etc. I don’t worry about cancer, even not PCA at PSA 1.1 - 1.2. At 71yo this low to me is good.

I agree re HGH (etc) prior to bed but my evening nutrical mix has enough herbs etc that Im concerned my insulin spikes and would reduce efficacy of the peptides. The rule of thumb iis no food/insulin -2hrs +1 hr. For me that is waking, not bed time.

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#448

Epitalon (Epithalon, Epithalamin) Longevity
• Slows down aging
• Suppresses tumor development
• Stimulates melatonin production, helping to regulate sleep cycles
• Prevents cardiovascular disease
• Boosts brain health
• Improves eye health
• Boosts immunity
• Treats symptoms of diabetes Note: There was a mistranslation between Epithalon and Epithalamin. Epithalamin is an extract of Epithalon and is less concentrated.

The original studies in Russia and Ukraine actually used Epithalamin, that is why the dose is 10 mg.

The equal Epithalon dose is 100 mcg.

The protocols below are adjusted accordingly. 10 mg of Epithalamin = 100 mcg of Epithalon.

IM or SQ:

• 100 mcg daily for 10 days done twice a year (total of 1 mg) (Dr. Seeds)

• 100 mcg every third day until you reach 50 mg total (The Ukrainian Protocol, original study by the Ukraine Academy Medical Sciences)

• 100 mcg every 3 days for 15 days (Tailor Made Compounding Catalog
• 100 mcg three times a week for 3 weeks done once a year (The Ukrainian Protocol, original study by the Ukraine Academy Medical Sciences)

Epithalon is often stacked with Thymalin:

IM (some do SQ):

• 5 mg thymalin and 5 mg epithalamine daily for 20 days, repeating every 6 months (Jay Campbell) Thymalin (Thymogen) LINK

• There exists a mistranslation between Epithalon and Epithalamin

• Epithalamin is an extract of Epitalon and is less concentrated, so need to take 100 mcg of Epithalon instead of 10 mg of Epithalamin

• Similar translation issue exists for Thymogen and Thymalin

• Long-term results, but they may start showing up after the course is already done
• Diarrhea
• Difficulty sleeping
• Fatigue
• Flu-like symptoms
• Headaches
• Irregular heartbeat
• Joint pain
• Nausea

#449

FWIW: I have been grossly overdosing for the last few weeks with nothing but positive side effects. I got tangled up in the misinterpretation of the “Russian epithalamin/epithalon studies resulting in a 100-fold difference, and therefore the 100 ug to 500 ug dose is correct.”
I have been taking 10 -50 times that much.

There are still some sites recommending 5mg/day.

I am glad the required Epitalon dose is so low. It will save some money.

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#450

Epitalon is the synthetic version of epithalamin, but the rest of your info is correct.

“Epitalon is a synthetic short peptide made of four amino acids (alanine, glutamic acid, aspartic acid, and glycine), based on a natural peptide called epithalamion extracted
from the pineal gland.”

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#451

FWIW…

Epithalamin-and-Epithalon-Cognitive-Vitality-For-Researchers.pdf (312.0 KB)

Epithalon-Monograph-Final.pdf (132.7 KB)

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