https://www.alzforum.org/news/research-news/plasma-p-tau217-flags-alzheimers-pathology-other-disorders

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I now believe that amyloid is just one risk factor amongst many for Alzheimer’s. It is like having high cholesterol, which won’t tell you whether or not you have heart disease but rather only whether you have a risk factor for heart disease. There are people with high cholesterol that never develop heart disease and people with heart disease without high cholesterol. This is because heart disease is multi-factorial and other risk factors, like high blood pressure, also contribute. I believe that we should be viewing amyloid and Alzheimer’s the same way that we view cholesterol and heart disease.

If amyloid is a risk factor that starts to build up decades before Alzheimer’s starts, then maybe we should be removing it preventatively like we control high cholesterol with Statins before it can cause heart disease. Researchers at WashU have started recruiting for a clinical trial aimed at doing just that. People as young as in their twenties, with rare forms of familial Alzheimer’s, are being recruited to take one of Eli Lilly’s anti-amyloid antibody therapeutics for two years a decade or more before they would be expected to develop Alzheimer’s.

Full article:

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people with heart disease without high cholesterol

Is that an accurate statement? I don’t believe so. I guess it depends on your definition of “high cholesterol.” Personally I’d define anyone with LDL/ApoB >= 50 as high because as far as we know it’s possible to develop heart disease at those levels, and the likelihood approaches zero as we go below them. Doubly so for Lp(a) positive people. While this may seem aggressive even for folks on this forum, the reality is even “low” cholesterol (eg 60 ApoB) exposes you to risk that, quite frankly, you don’t need to expose yourself to given the advances in lipid lowering therapy. There are very few people who can’t get below 50 with available therapies side effect free.

OTOH, there really are people with minimal amyloid and tau that have Alzheimer’s disease. Feels like a bit of a flawed comparison.

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ChatGPT seems to think so :wink:

What factors would lead to a person developing heart disease even if they don’t have high cholesterol

ChatGPT said:

There are several factors that can contribute to heart disease even in people without high cholesterol. Some of the most common include:

1. High Blood Pressure (Hypertension)

  • Increases strain on the heart and arteries, leading to damage over time.
  • Can cause the heart to work harder, leading to thickening or stiffening of the heart muscle.

2. Diabetes

  • High blood sugar levels damage blood vessels and nerves that control the heart.
  • Increases inflammation and the likelihood of developing atherosclerosis (narrowed arteries).

3. Smoking

  • Damages blood vessels and reduces oxygen levels in the blood.
  • Increases the risk of blood clots, leading to heart attacks or strokes.

4. Chronic Inflammation

  • Conditions like autoimmune diseases (e.g., lupus, rheumatoid arthritis) can cause chronic inflammation, damaging blood vessels.
  • Even low-grade chronic inflammation (from stress, poor diet, or infections) can contribute to heart disease.

5. Sedentary Lifestyle

  • Lack of physical activity weakens the heart and contributes to poor circulation, high blood pressure, and insulin resistance.

6. Obesity

  • Can lead to metabolic syndrome, which increases the risk of heart disease even if cholesterol levels are normal.
  • Often linked to hypertension, diabetes, and inflammation.

7. Genetics & Family History

  • Some people inherit a predisposition to heart disease, even if their cholesterol is normal.
  • Conditions like hypertrophic cardiomyopathy (HCM) or arrhythmias can lead to heart issues independent of cholesterol levels.

8. Stress & Mental Health

  • Chronic stress increases cortisol and inflammation, which can negatively impact heart health.
  • Depression and anxiety are linked to higher risks of cardiovascular disease.

9. Sleep Disorders (e.g., Sleep Apnea)

  • Poor sleep quality and conditions like obstructive sleep apnea can increase blood pressure and strain the heart.

10. Poor Diet (Even Without High Cholesterol)

  • High sugar intake can contribute to insulin resistance, inflammation, and weight gain.
  • Excessive processed foods and unhealthy fats can harm blood vessels.
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If you say high cholesterol to ChatGPT it’s going to use what’s most encountered in its dataset (weighted probably for quality sources), which will be the standard threshold in medical documents where atheroschlerosis still occur. dicarlo2 said that it depends on definition of high. Ask it instead if there are any people with heart disease where LDL isn’t above 0 (e.g if any cases with total abetalipoproteinemia), or pick 20 & lifelong.

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When I made the post I was thinking of atherosclerosis, the primary cause of heart disease. It is in fact true to say that people can have heart disease without high cholesterol (by any definition of high). Here’s a more precise question and answer by o3-mini

Can you have heart disease without hardened or soft plaques?

Heart disease is an umbrella term that encompasses a wide range of conditions affecting the heart. While atherosclerosis—characterized by the buildup of hardened (calcified) or soft (unstable) plaques in the coronary arteries—is a common cause of coronary artery disease (CAD), it is not the only pathway to heart disease. There are several conditions in which heart disease occurs without the presence of these traditional plaques.

Alternative Mechanisms of Heart Disease

  1. Coronary Microvascular Dysfunction (CMD):

In CMD, the small coronary arterioles fail to dilate properly, leading to inadequate blood flow to the myocardium despite the absence of significant plaque in the larger coronary arteries. Patients can experience angina and ischemic symptoms, but standard imaging tests for larger vessel disease might appear normal.

  1. Coronary Vasospasm:

Transient constriction of the coronary arteries can reduce blood flow. This condition, sometimes referred to as variant or Prinzmetal’s angina, is due to a spasm of the arterial wall rather than a fixed plaque. The temporary nature of the spasm can still lead to myocardial ischemia.

  1. Myocardial Bridging:

This congenital anomaly occurs when a segment of a coronary artery tunnels through the heart muscle rather than lying on its surface. During systole, the tunneled segment can be compressed, which may impair blood flow without the involvement of atherosclerotic plaque.

  1. Inflammatory and Immune-Mediated Cardiomyopathies:

Conditions such as myocarditis, which is inflammation of the heart muscle often triggered by infections or autoimmune processes, can lead to heart disease independently of atherosclerotic plaque formation. Similarly, stress-induced cardiomyopathy (Takotsubo syndrome) involves transient dysfunction of the heart muscle due to emotional or physical stress, without the presence of coronary plaques.

  1. Genetic and Structural Disorders:

Hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, dilated cardiomyopathy, and arrhythmogenic right ventricular cardiomyopathy are examples of conditions that primarily involve the heart muscle or electrical system. These diseases may not be associated with coronary plaques but still result in significant cardiac morbidity and mortality.

Clinical Implications

Understanding that heart disease can occur without the classic signs of atherosclerosis is crucial for accurate diagnosis and treatment. Patients presenting with chest pain or other cardiac symptoms may undergo a range of diagnostic tests—from coronary angiography and cardiac MRI to stress tests—that help to differentiate between these conditions. Management strategies will vary considerably depending on the underlying cause; for example, treatments for coronary vasospasm differ from those aimed at atherosclerotic blockages.

Conclusion

Yes, it is entirely possible to have heart disease without the presence of hardened or soft plaques. A variety of mechanisms—including microvascular dysfunction, vasospasm, inflammatory processes, and genetic cardiomyopathies—can lead to heart disease independent of traditional atherosclerosis. Recognizing these differences is key to developing appropriate treatment strategies tailored to the specific underlying pathology.

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Most people use ASCAD and heart disease interchangeably, I don’t think it matters that much.

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This will force evolutionary changes, homo sapiens that are most susceptible to nano/micro plastics where it affects their fertility and/or fetal viability will be diluted out the gene pool. Evolution due to sudden environmental changes is brutal.

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And while we complain about microplastics let’s remember that we’re breathing extremely clean air now compared to a few decades ago: In many countries, people breathe the cleanest air in centuries. What can the rest of the world learn from this? - Our World in Data

Our water is probably way cleaner as well. Overall, besides microplastic, we’re probably exposed to less rather than more pollution than our parents and grandparents (for those living in the West at least).

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I bought a good air quality monitor, and I was surprised to see the PM2.5 basically being at 0 all the time, so I unplugged it for now (I use an air purifier though where I haven’t changed the filter). I think it was even at 0 even without it running.

Not burning coal & using nuclear power and renewables instead helps!

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What air quality monitor did you buy?

That may be true, but in addition to increased nano/microplastics, we are dealing with unprecedented increased exposure to PFAS, BPAS, phthalates. flame retardants and pesticides (glyphosate) while still dealing with remnants of dioxins, PDBs, heavy metals, DDT, etc.

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Exposure to pesticides has been decreasing:

I don’t know the others but I would assume they’re also decreasing quickly. At least in the West and at the very least in the EU.

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@adssx I’ll sound like a conspiratorial nut job but I’m not sure I believe that evidence. It could be like the official data showing crime is down in NYC — well the Manhattan DA flat out refuses to prosecute certain crimes, cops cease to make arrests, and people are giving up even on reporting it. Anyone who lives in the city knows what’s what.

There have been very concerning articles about mysterious clusters of disease in certain parts of Canada most likely linked to unreported use of pesticides which the local government flat out refuses to investigate as they’re clearly afraid it will kill their potato exports if the full extent of the fuckup comes to light. I fear there’s a lot of don’t ask don’t tell going around. In this case the likely culprit is an explosion in glyphosates use:

In Maine they’re just recently starting to come to grips with the extent of effective poisoning of arable lands by local government programs in the 90s that donated PSA-rich “slush” to local farmers as fertilizer, to help local factories dispose of industrial waste. This isn’t a conspiracy theory. You can Google it. It wasn’t intentional, obviously. But the coverup—to the extent that they’re not doing extensive testing to figure out just how deep the problem goes—is.

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Please no politics, rest is good, IMO.
Content otherwise bring NYC’s or Canadians on the opposite side.

I’m doing my part to reduce politics.

What are you talking about? It’s not politics. It’s the truth.

And as for the NYC comment, that’s also the plain truth and sources can be found for those who don’t believe it, but people who live there know first hand. I didn’t touch on it to stir the proverbial shit pot, but merely to point out that official statistics can paint a very inaccurate picture.

My conspiratorial contribution is that I strongly suspect there’s a lot more cases than the ones I mentioned, that we don’t know about because there’s every incentive on the book for local players to not shine a light on the problem.

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I’m failing on seeing how any of this actionable whether or not pesticides or rising or falling what would I do differently? Buy more organic or something?

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I mean increasing the probability of a political discussion, politics, significantly, compared to just mentioning the pesticide which might be more salient in this discussion. I’m sure many are getting tired of the politics and the like, that’s all.

Claude 3.7 Sonnet wrote the following:

I understand your concern about how specific language choices might shape a conversation’s direction.

The first version, which mentions Manhattan’s DA, crime statistics, and uses phrases like “anyone who lives in the city knows what’s what,” does increase the likelihood of steering toward a political discussion. This framing introduces politically charged elements:

  1. Criticizing a specific district attorney’s policies
  2. Questioning official crime statistics
  3. Using stronger language (“fuckup”) and suggesting government cover-ups

The second version focuses more directly on the environmental health concern about pesticides and disease clusters without the political framing or charged language. It keeps the focus on the potential link between glyphosate use and health issues.

Both versions discuss potential government negligence, but the first version establishes a more politically charged pattern by starting with an unrelated example about crime statistics and law enforcement before addressing the pesticide issue. This creates a broader narrative about government trustworthiness that’s likely to invite political discussion.

The second version, while still potentially controversial, stays more focused on the specific environmental health concern rather than positioning it within a larger political framework.

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Your brain might not be getting enough B12 — even if your levels are considered “normal.”

A new study suggests that older adults with lower B12, even within the accepted range, show signs of cognitive decline and brain damage. Researchers found that these individuals had slower thinking and reaction times, along with white matter lesions linked to dementia.

A recent study published in the Annals of Neurology uses a multimodal testing approach to identify associations between B12 levels currently accepted as normal and markers of neurological injury or impairment.

Vitamin B12 deficiency

Vitamin B12, which is otherwise known as cobalamin, is an essential dietary vitamin that can be acquired from the consumption of animal products, certain dry fruits, nutritional yeast, and fortified foods. Vitamin B12 deficiency can lead to blood cell abnormalities like megaloblastic anemia and dysfunction of the neurological system, including subacute combined degeneration of the spinal cord (SACD).

Some symptoms associated with SACD include sensory ataxia, paresthesia, and weakness. Previous pathological analyses indicate that SACD arises due to degeneration of the myelin sheath, which ultimately leads to the destruction and vacuolization of the white matter (WM) of the spinal cord.

B12 deficiency is also associated with cognitive impairment, memory loss, dementia, and psychosis. However, vitamin B supplementation has been shown to reduce the rate of brain atrophy in older people with mild cognitive impairment (MCI).

Open Access Research Paper:

Vitamin B12 Levels Association with Functional and Structural Biomarkers of Central Nervous System Injury in Older Adults

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ana.27200

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