Good question. I got the testosterone bump with Gonadorelin only.
I added the Kisspeptin after and have not done any more testing since.
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RapAdmin
#187
Bloomberg.com: Hims to Launch New Offerings for Men With Low Testosterone
Hims & Hers Health Inc. plans to launch offerings for men with low testosterone on Wednesday, marking the telehealth company’s long-awaited move into the fast-growing hormonal health category.
The offerings expand Hims’ core sexual health franchise amid a slowdown in weight-loss drug sales that has dragged on its stock price in recent months. The company will start with a compounded version of enclomiphene, a drug that’s used off-label to treat low testosterone in men.
Pricing will depend on a patient’s monthly treatment cadence, with a three-month plan costing about $199 per month, according to an internal document viewed by Bloomberg. The company will also offer five- and 10-month plans for $139 a month and $99 a month, respectively. The details could be subject to last-minute changes.
full story: https://archive.ph/a1GpN#selection-1461.0-1483.324
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I paid Push Health $77 to write me a prescription for 25mg enclomiphene, and had it sent to Belmar Pharmacy in Colorado. Cost: $275 for 90 tabs (splitable, = six months supply).
So, $352 total, or about $60/month.
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RapAdmin
#189
Was it easy to get the prescription? Had you used Push Health previously?
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qBx123Yk
#190
Similar deal from Defy Medical. I got a prescription after furnishing my own labs, which I knew how to do cheaply.
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It was easy. I already had a prescription, but the prescriber was no longer viable, so I went this route. I don’t know if already having a prescription made a difference, but I was never asked for proof, so I doubt it.
I’ve gotten minoxidil, acarbose, a couple other things, through them.
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Agetron
#193
Excellent… I have been taking 4 pills of 3 mg each Boron Complex nightly… 12 mg total for bone health… past 2 years.
This is good to know my free testosterone is 4.5 pg/mL… high normal is 5.3.
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qBx123Yk
#194
Yes, it’s been well known that Boron lowers SHBG, which helps boost free testosterone. I’ve seen my SHBG go down 10 points on 9mg daily.
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Davin8r
#195
T3 is thyroid hormone not testosterone. Hopefully your free T is still high enough 
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I take Boron daily at night and my Free T is still in the dumpster. I’ll keep trying though!
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Daph
#197
Thanks all for your early feedback. My 67-year old husband did start testosterone replacement in May with good results, but wasn’t feeling much different as of early September. In fact, he seemed to be getting weaker, so he started personal training. The trainer asked him 3 times over the course of a month whether he was sure he never had a stroke, due to right-sided weakess that she observed (which we previously thought was general weakness due to deconditioning/age). When he finally told me what she said and we realized she was right, we thought maybe the testosterone therapy caused polycythemia and led to a stroke (which runs in his family), even though his hematocrit and hemoglobin were still in the (high) normal range. He ended up in the ER where he was diagnosed with severe spinal cord stenosis in the cervical vertebrae and had decompression surgery last week. But it wasn’t the testosterone, and all the providers he saw said they had no reason to think he should not continue, so he will. He’s doing well.
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Agetron
#198
Whoops… well T3 thyroid is great – which is important to regulating metabolism, growth, energy and development.
Will need to check Free T on next blood test in January!
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I am only taking 5 mg of Boron daily. I can try upping it to 10 mg. Any downside to this?
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Agetron
#200
Really none at all - and might be helping keep me within a normal T score for bone density - away from osteopenia.
My brother-in-law… age 60 years, healthy, scuba diver - swimmer for a living… fell last night on the grass and broke his femur.
Makes me wonder what his bone density was before the fall. A pretty well-built man. Muscled… no fat.
He’s not the kind of guy that would check such a thing as bone density. So, probably not doing any bone density supplements. Now has a titanium rod.
A bit late…, but I suggested a DEXA bone scan. Good to know.
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Davin8r
#201
All the scuba diving certainly didn’t help his bone density – pretty much the exact opposite of weight-bearing exercise albeit great for muscles and the cardiovascular system. I hope he has a fast recovery!
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Agetron
#202
Hahaha… true - I had not considered that difference, not the swimming… but all the weight carrying - tanks… equipment for each dive with multiple people. He did workout daily. 
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Well, you can have great bone density and still have a bad fall and be unlucky.
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Tim
#204
Yikes!
But you’re right about scuba diving. It can be laborious until you get in the water. Some people underestimate the amount of exertion required and end up dead from a heart attack. Or they get exhausted and disoriented, then panic and drown. A staggering number of divers who drowned still had air in their tanks.
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Agetron
#205
Exactly… it is like hauling a new born kid for an outing to the grocery store - you’d think you packed for a month stay in Europe. It is easier to stay home and send the spouse! LOL
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