My parents seem to think I had a very mild case of chickenpox when I was young, though my recent Varicella Zoster IgG test came back negative, indicating no prior infection. Based on the information in this thread would it be wise to get both a chickenpox and shingles vaccine? Or is the shingles vaccine unnecessary?

Each person may have their own way of thinking of things. But if I were you, I’d first get the course of chickenpox vaccine, and then after 6 months or so, get the shingles course (shingrix).

The mix-and-match of different vaccines should result in a more robust immunity.

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RSV vaccines have now shown to reduce risk of dementia, like the shingrix.
Both are AS01-adjuvenated.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41541-025-01172-3

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This is really interesting. Some part of the positive effect of these vaccines of dementia might be from preventing infections and resulting inflammation, but some part is from the adjuvant itself. This paper focuses on the impact of the adjuvant system itself. The question is: whereas for infection (recurrence) prevention earlier immunization would be better, for the benefit of the adjuvant system would earlier (e.g. age 40) be better, or is waiting until 50 or even 60 necessary for the benefit to appear? It depends on the mechanism of action, but it would be good to know.

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A lot of vaccines let you get them early if you have certain conditions. Such as asthma, or one i read, a sedentary lifestyle. I have asthma and went this route before and I dont think they even had a way to check.

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RSV vaccines indication has been expanded to the below 60 years of age for some people.

RSV vaccine access expanded to some people in their 50s, according to CDC website

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What are your thoughts on getting Smallpox vaccination? (The Monkeypox vaccine also gives you Smallpox).

It’s free for me in NZ (if I tell them I’m sexually promiscuous).

My thinking is - it provides protection against a Blackswan-type event… if Smallpox ever got back out in the wild (lab leak, bio terror, war etc), then any vaccine stockpiles would disappear very quickly. Smallpox has long incubation period, high R, so would spread like wildfire and a death rate of ~30%…

Wondering if I am missing anything?

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I think it’s a good idea as it would give you protection from a black swan event, as you mentioned. I don’t see the downside here.

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Arizona resident dies from the plague less than 24 hours after showing symptoms

A person has died from the plague in Northern Arizona, health officials confirmed Thursday.

The victim was rushed to Flagstaff Medical Center, showing severe symptoms, and died the same day. An autopsy revealed Yersinia pestis, the bacterium responsible for plague, was found. No further details about the patient or their identity have been revealed.

This case comes amid a recent prairie dog die-off northeast of Flagstaff, a classic red flag for plague activity since these rodents often carry infected fleas.

Coconino County officials are investigating an unknown number of prairie dog deaths linked to plague. They are working with a property owner to collect fleas for testing.

The plague remains rare in modern America, with the Centers for Disease Control reporting an average of seven human cases annually, the majority of which occur in rural areas of the Western U.S., including northern Arizona and parts of New Mexico and Colorado.

There’s a Plague Vaccine?

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This graphic shows how vaccines may prevent cancer as 10% of cancer is caused by infection.

Source found at 14:00 from the below video.

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There are quite a few people arguing a reasonable case that much cancer starts with mitochondrial failure.

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What adjuvant is used in those vaccines? Could be protective, even if you don’t expect exposure to gonorrhoea, so may as well go for it.

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This is why I don’t like camping.

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Not recommended under 60.

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@Dr.Bart I appreciate that. And while I have you, I just heard Eric Verdin mention he got a titer to see if he needed a new measles vax. I had been meaning to look into this.

I was born in 1966, and the internet says I potentially need a new MMR vax.

I assume getting a titer done would be the smart way to do this, and if you agree can you give me the correct verbiage on what I should specially ask for? I’m all ears if you have another suggestion.

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You can check titers for just about everything: MMR, DTaP, COVID, etc.
DTaP is the one that needs repeating, not sure about MMR.

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Critical analysis of this video’s points from my DIA ai browser: diabrowser.com

Key Points From the Video, and analysis of the credibility of it:

Sharyl Attkisson’s 23-minute report centers on former Merck virologist Stephen Krahling, who says he discovered in 1999 that the mumps component of Merck’s MMR vaccine degraded faster than the FDA allowed.

  • According to Krahling, Merck responded by “overfilling” vials with extra live virus so that the product would still meet the potency floor after two years on the shelf. He argues this meant children vaccinated soon after release could receive a higher-than-tested dose, posing safety questions.
  • When overfilling allegedly failed to keep potency high enough, Merck launched “Protocol 7,” a study designed—Krahling claims—to show the vaccine was still effective at lower mumps-virus levels. He contends supervisors ordered data to be altered or discarded to make the results look better.
  • Krahling says he alerted the FDA in 2001 and later became a lead relator in a 2010 False Claims Act/antitrust suit accusing Merck of misrepresenting mumps efficacy to the government.
  • The segment notes that, after 14 years of litigation, a federal court dismissed the whistle-blower case in 2023, ruling that the CDC already knew of potency concerns yet continued to purchase the vaccine, so no fraud against taxpayers was proven.
  • Attkisson links continuing mumps outbreaks in highly vaccinated populations to the questions Krahling raises about waning potency and transparency.

Critical Evaluation Against Current Scientific Evidence

1. Potency “Overfill” and Safety

Live-virus vaccines do lose titer over time, and regulators routinely instruct manufacturers to add a buffer—“overfill”—so every dose meets the minimum potency at expiry. This practice is described in FDA biologics guidance and in publicly available package inserts; there is no evidence that the initial concentration ever exceeds the maximum level judged safe in clinical trials. Surveillance systems and controlled trials have not shown an increased rate of adverse events in children vaccinated soon after lot release. ​⁠

2. Real-world Mumps Outbreaks

Multiple peer-reviewed studies and CDC reviews agree that two MMR doses provide very strong protection against measles and rubella, but mumps immunity can wane. Current U.S. estimates place two-dose effectiveness for mumps at roughly 86 % and one-dose at about 72 %. When outbreaks occur—usually in close-contact settings such as college dorms—public-health officials recommend a third dose, which quickly curbs transmission. These observations are consistent with time-dependent waning, not necessarily with a chronically sub-potent product. ​⁠

3. The Whistle-blower Litigation

The Protocol 7 allegations were examined exhaustively in Krahling v. Merck. In 2023 the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania granted summary judgment to Merck, and the Third Circuit affirmed in 2024, finding that—even if some internal data were questionable—federal agencies had independent evidence of declining field effectiveness, understood the limitations, and still deemed the vaccine essential. The ruling did not declare the vaccine ineffective; it held that any misstatements were not “material” to government purchasing decisions. ​⁠

4. Transparency and Labeling

Every MMR lot must meet FDA-specified upper and lower potency limits before release; results are auditable and subject to inspection. While the exact plaque-forming-unit (PFU) count in an individual child’s syringe is not printed on the label, the allowable range and test methods are publicly described in the license and package insert. Informed-consent standards require disclosure of known risks, not precise PFU figures for each lot. Major professional bodies (CDC’s ACIP in the U.S. and NACI in Canada) continue to recommend MMR without reservation. ​⁠

5. Bottom Line

• Krahling’s account usefully highlights the importance of rigorous potency testing and whistle-blower protections.
• However, the best available data indicate that MMR remains both safe and highly effective; when mumps outbreaks appear, they are largely explained by waning immunity in young adults rather than by chronically sub-standard vaccine lots.
• Regulatory scrutiny continues: the FDA monitors potency, the CDC tracks effectiveness, and since 2022 a second manufacturer (GSK) offers an FDA-licensed mumps vaccine—further evidence that the agency is not shielding a single supplier.

Taken together, the scientific consensus does not support the video’s implication that U.S. children are routinely receiving unsafe or ineffective MMR doses, though it does reinforce the need for ongoing evaluation of booster strategies as immunity wanes.

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