#1

Watch this. Never trust another thing you hear from an internet influencer about a specific brand.

This caught my eye because I was surprised to hear Attia say on his show that he no longer uses an Oura ring. I was stunned. I first heard of Oura from Attia. What was going on? Enjoy!

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#2

This is going to hurt some feelings. I am good a recognizing charlatans and never trusted Attia or the rest of the influencers cashing in their ethics.

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#3

What did it cost his audience?

#4

I had heard about the lawsuit recently, so it was BLARINGLY obvious to me when the other day he was promoting the other brand and saying he hasn’t used an oura in years!!!

Edited because I see the video confirms what I was kind of remembering.

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#5

Nice try. I am not going to be baited into your nonsense. Figure that question out for yourself.

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#6

Yes, I have, and his audience most assuredly has benefited more than it cost them.

#7

Just because someone is financially unbiased, like this person, doesn’t mean they’re aren’t wrong. Bias is completely irrelevant, evidence stand on their own two feet, and the pharmaceutical industry hasn’t failed Americans, it’s alive and doing well for them. Just another pseudo-intellectual ranting about “muh bias” and “muh big pharma”.

He probably means well, but he’s misinformed and not seeing the big picture.

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#8

If you believe that, you are extremely naive and uninformed.

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#9

You cut a segment from a sentence. Bias is completely irrelevant since all that matters is the evidence. I don’t care who is paid by who, just what the evidence they provided and what methodology is behind it.

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#10

Bribe:
money or favor given or promised in order to influence the judgment or conduct of a person in a position of trust

It doesn’t have to cost anyone anything to be wrong, distasteful, unforgivable.

In Attia’s partial defense he always mentioned his affiliation with Oura. But he never let on to the depth of the deception.

I was manipulated. I resent it. I won’t forget it.

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#11

Bias corrupts the evidence. So yes we must consider the bias when evaluating the results.
Bias corrupts the results.
"Keywords: bias, medical research, pharmaceutical industry, epistemic corruption, conflict of interest’
"https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8028448/’

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#12

AGREE!

It would have even been ok if he said I stopped wearing my oura because those jerks owe me money, but nope, he just put it out there in a way for us to conclude, hmmm, I guess he doesn’t think it’s good technology

At this point, I’ve seen behind the curtain on each person I have followed (small list), and there is no one left who I completely trust, other than Eric Topol. And that makes me sad.

Hey, you have a good podcast, so maybe I should say present company excluded :slight_smile:

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#13

Explain to me why I should care if Lockheed Martin engineers want a system to work, as they demonstrate a missile system successfully hitting the target and show the results over many tries and the blueprint for the system.

You determine whether it is a sound system by the tech, the methodology and the results, not on anything else that doesn’t make any sense.

You just evaluate the methodology and the results, that is all. You can explain the choice of the methodology with bias, but not whether the study is worthwhile to consider or not.

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#14

What depth of deception? You don’t think he liked the product?

#15

You are equating apples and oranges. In engineering, results, good or bad, are provable and repeatable. Pharma study results are often not proven or repeatable.

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#16

Source for this claim?

#17

"More than half of clinical practices with a reproduction attempt demonstrated effects that were inconsistent with the original study "
You weren’t serious in asking that question, right?
“https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5820784/”
Why Most Published Research Findings Are False - Wikipedia.

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#18

I don’t think that article helps your argument because (1) it is not only pharma studies (2) most studies in critical care which your article studied, is not industry funded.

#19

"Financial support from a pharmaceutical company influences multiple aspects of the performance of drug trials and often leads to a favorable result for the corporate sponsor of the trial.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2872821/#:~:text=Financial%20support%20from%20a%20pharmaceutical%20company%20influences%20multiple%20aspects%20of,and%20results%20must%20be%20ensured.

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#20

That is an old article from 2010, as they mention publication bias as a possible reason. All drugs trials need to pre-register nowadays according to FDA laws which will combat publication bias.