#411

Our Poster Boy’s Conference in San Francisco.

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#412

Would love to attend! So far away from me :cry:

#413

I can’t stand the guy. Maybe those fat injections have put a permanent smirk on his face. Either that or he spends too much time looking in a mirror.

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#414

The irony of holding that conference in a city where people are dying on the streets like flies.

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#415

In my view this;

“Don’t Die Summit | San Francisco”

And the other city"s they will be showing this.

I see…

Is / will mostly be a "purchase my product/ service and you will live longer, a trade show.

Carnac_the_Magnificent

~ Carnac the Magnificent

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#416

Normally I’d say to each their own, but in BJ’s case he’s definitely peddling something. After all, he’s an entrepreneur at heart. That’s fine, I just think he has poor aesthetics and creativity when it comes to marketing. “Don’t Die” is meant to be provocative, but it’s anything but a creative name for a movement. It’s as uncreative as if Yelp called themselves “The Digital Yellow Pages” or AirBnB was instead called “Decentralized Hotels.”

He may be a successful entrepreneur, but my criticism is that he’s just uncreative. ‘Blueprint’ is cringe-worthy of a label for his protocol. “Snake Oil” is trying to be too hard to be ironic. I could go on.

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#417

I don’t think the names matter that much, it’s the ideas that do, and that’s about longevity and healthspan and shifting the Overton window. In reality I think Bryan is just having fun many times as well. Might as well say a bunch of stuff and be a visionary and somewhat of a Pascalian Gambler, who knows what matters.

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#418

Of course the ideas matter the most, but the point about his labels and names is making a subtle point about his vision in general. Anyone can come out and publicly aim to ‘shift’ the Overton window, so to speak. You just need to be a public figure and start touting some new science and be provocative. There’s no new insight in that.

The best founders of movements/companies/enterprises in the world have an associated creativity, or at least know how to market that, in order to actually bring on a new movement. How you think about names and words (for an influencer, a designer, creator) says something about how your mind works. If Google.com was named by its inventors as Search.com, it’s a tell that they were never going to succeed at the scale they were, that they weren’t even creative enough to come up with a new word for their idea (you can argue otherwise for Apple, but this can be discussed separately as well). The term ‘Google’ in itself is a zero to one concept. The word itself has become synonymous with the idea. It’s a bit hard to discuss this philosophical detail in a forum format, I’d have to write a whole essay on it.

But alas, one point I’ll make it is that in my view (of course you could disagree) is that nothing that Bryan Johnson is doing is ‘visionary’ or novel. He just has the resources (from prior entrepreneurship) to market himself as doing something new (most people can’t afford to have constant blood testing, injections, experimental trials done on them). He’s potentially the reason why many people are jumping towards epigenetic testing, which any legitimate scientist would scoff at those tests telling you anything meaningful (i’m sure many will disagree here as well). In other words, if he himself was a company, I’d short him. I would not be long BJ. But because we can’t financially short him, we can only discuss about him.

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#419

It’s right, having the resources wasprimary for implementing a trendy idea (not obligatory unique) at the right timing. Soil was already prepared by others. He just planed (marketed) it and generously watered (poured money). He’s a good businessman.

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#420

Yea no disagreement there. No criticism either. I give him all the props for being a good marketer and businessman. AND I would support him if I saw more evidence that what he’s doing is moving the needle forward in a positive direction. It’s too soon to know. As history shows, the historical narrative shifts with time. What seems to be good for society right now might be looked upon by our descendants as appalling. The people we respect today might be considered frauds decades down the line.

And when it comes to health gurus, I hold the position that one must absolutely start from a skeptical position. It’s the duty of the scientist to be skeptical, to serve as the immune system. A cancer, when looked upon at a microscopic level and out of larger context, might appear to be good. After all, it may be indistinguishable from a growing, healthy dividing cell (zygotes divide and create new cells, just as cancers do. Stem cells, etc). It’s hard to know a cancer from a cell’s point of view until it’s too late.

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#421

I don’t think it is so much an Overton window as people having had centuries of dreams of mechanisms for resisting aging.

All of which have substantially failed.

#422

yea, i could agree with that. I was just using the poster’s terminology.

#423

Well I’m not so sure what Bryan expected in the first place, I can’t read his mind. I think it started him becoming viral on Twitter: x.com then he skillfully got Media attention in interesting and entertaining ways. I don’t think there was much thought to it. It looked like his personal project to me and something just he shared, and now he’s going with the flow. Either way it is a plus in numerous ways. As per the Lindy effect, I don’t think a lot of new things today will last for a long time and it’s very difficult. To be honest, I think Bryan has succeeded by quite a lot. He’s getting good views on YouTube as well, like the first Longevity Influencer and I’m interested to see how it all goes. Might not lead to anything, it might become too cultish and unrelatable, or it might continue to grow. I’m not interested in following him like a cult follower though - or anyone else, but just thinking about it is funny. I think anyone who does that is missing the point. But new treatments and therapies ideas are always welcome to me.

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#424

We will get better results from Big Pharma inventing drugs that target condition X which reduces acm and from billionaire projects such as Altos Lab than we will ever get from longevity influencers.

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#425

Yes but those treatments might be cost prohibitive while under patent and Bryan seems to have a gonzo spirit. More people thinking and sharing that spirit in ‘let’s group buy this synthesis of this new drug under patent’, means more access for all of us? The real revolution might be figuring out how everyone will get access to them.

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#426

Guy’s a real life Dorian Gray, vain to the point of vulgarity.

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#427

Might not have to be either or?

Seems like societal interest and eventually demands and desire to consume increases reasons for Big Pharma to work on this, for govt to make FDA/regulatory path more optimal, shift reimbursement to more also preventative (and rejuvenative) care… etc, etc

#428

Could it be Chinese misinformation??? Nah, New York Post never lies…

https://nypost.com/2024/09/01/lifestyle/big-pharma-traded-principles-for-profits/

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#429

I share that perspective on cheat meals/foods. I’m pretty regimented with my diet but eating things less than optimal occasionally in certain social situation seems the better choice for me personally. I don’t keep those foods in my house of course but the I believe the social bonding over a meal that might not fit my plan outweighs any potential negatives of the food itself. I also think it’s important to not become so obsessive about it all that it becomes an additional stress. It’s good to know others can relate. I find the way I eat >90% of the time is what matters and sprinkling that with some celebratory meals works perfectly fine and creates a good balance in life.

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#430

I’m the same. I don’t keep anything I shouldn’t eat in the house only because it would be gone by nightfall, but when on vacation, all bets are off. It makes looking forward to vacations that much more exciting… NYC pizza and bagels, here I come!

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