#42

It would be easy to achieve BJ’s results having BJ’s budget. The question is how to achieve similar results without investing so much. Is it even possible?

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#43

Harold Katcher said he would make a product for skin first because it’s easier. But he has to get the dog thing done too. I’m not going to be the first to try it either, maybe give it 4 years or so. Also, though he wants it to be cheap it probably won’t be.

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#44

I included tixel in the list of devices I’d buy if I went a little budget crazy on Alibaba on my specific post on devices. The funny thing again is that the device costs about as much as a single treatment with it if you buy direct from the manufacturer.

Women in my FB skincare groups swear by the results so I was thinking on pulling the trigger on it — I hesitate because I won’t be using it during pregnancy and my husband hates being “operated” on for skincare purposes so it will just collect dust until end of summer at least.

I didn’t know it opened channels so that’s very good to know for layering with expensive topicals which I’m very sparing with.

Will say though, he moved from PRP to exosomes without even graduating to PRF which is way more effective than PRP and still made out of his own blood through a very similar procedure. Olly there seemed to have a skin deep — pun intended— knowledge of how the tixel treatment works, seemed to have simply consulted the manual of the machine and going by its recommended settings. I don’t think he’s near anywhere close to the best skincare adviser money could buy. Shouldn’t have taken this long to discover tixel.

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#45

I was thinking the same: make sense to buy the device rather than to pay per service. My only hesitation is healing of perforated tissue while on rapamycin.

#46

It should slow down the healing all things equal but remember there’s no outside wounds. Just transient redness. So no downtime to speak of. Also remember Bryan is also on Rapa :laughing:

#47

He’s on Rapa, but my dose is different from his. It’s most likely safe for me bc there are no surface punctures. I would love to try :grinning:

#48

Same thing he’s using

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#49

Is there a potential issue in terms of the training and expertise needed to use the equipment (and even more so - the user being the patient at the same time? Could you even do this on your own face as the machine operator?

Also, are there risks / downsides to being a less than fully trained operator of the machine… i.e. overdoing it in some manner and damaging your skin?

#50

The person who uses it has to be fully trained otherwise it could be dangerous. If I bought it for personal use, I would learn how to use it first before applying.

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#51

The operation method of tixel takes out a lot of the guess work or skill from the operator. Basically all you need to do is keep the probe flush against the skin. The machine then preprograms how many milliseconds the lattice will be in contact with the skin on each “hit”. Look at how the probe is shaped: plastic mouth with the metal lattice thrusting forward from its center. It doesn’t matter how the operator does it, unless s/he is so stupid as to keep “poking” the same spot. All that’s needed is using the right settings appropriate for each area of skin depending on body part, contour convexity, etc. and keep the machine probe moving. The manuals usually do a pretty good job of explaining things. But whenever I use a device with even the potential of damage I start by practicing in areas where the sun don’t shine. You don’t want to use the face as the training ground.

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#52

Interesting… The Tixel Q & A: QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS

here is a Tixel user’s manual:

TixelUsersManual.pdf (1.5 MB)

And Patient Instructions on Preparation and Use:

Tixel+2020+.pdf (147.6 KB)

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#53

Wow, these devices are priced at $25K to $50K in the US (for a used device), commercial pricing for a Tixel product from Novoxel… I can’t find the full retail / list price for the device when new, perhaps someone else can find this information. If a year old one is asking $50K, it seems likely the list price when new may be in the $60K to $70K range.

I’ve worked in the electronics/tech field early in my career and the product development / product management side of things. These types of products typically have a gross margin of 85% to 95% or even higher early in the new product life cycle, so the actual manufactured cost of the device (parts and labor) for these devices is likely in the cost range (to the manufacturer) of $3,000 to $7,000. The market leading companies (like Novoxel, in this case) will use the best parts, have the best quality control systems in place, and do all the required design and test efforts required by FCC and EU / CE mark which can be a major hassles and take multiple iterations to get full compliant. The Chinese manufacturers will use cheaper components, take shortcuts that will limit the useful life of the product, and the product won’t be FCC and CE Mark compliant (so there will be risk of interference with other electrical products in the vicinity, and more risk of it failing or mikoperating ). But I would guess that the Chinese suppliers could cut the costs (by avoiding these expenses) down to 50% of the Novoxel costs… so perhaps $1000 to $3K COGs (cost of good sold).

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#54

Novoxel has a bunch of “professional webinars” on their product here, probably a great way to learn more about these types of products:

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#55

Here is the Novoxel Tixel 2 system 510(k) application information to the FDA. Its a good source of information because its completely devoid of any marketing BS, and provides a good and concise description of the product and what it actually does.

NovoxelTixel2FDA510KApplicationK223033.pdf (76.6 KB)

and the Tixel 1 FDA 510(K) summary:

NovoxelTixel1FDA510K Info K202988.pdf (208.0 KB)

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#56

I’m trying this in a couple of weeks. I did some digging and found some interesting results. It’s was invented in Israel. The price seems to vary wildly.

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#57

Please share all the details (price, pain, recovery, etc.) when you do it!

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#58

I found a place that will do it for $495. Some places I’ve called have asked for $1200 which is ridiculous.

Here’s a great review I found on YouTube.

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#59

You’ll need at least 3-4 treatments to move the needle though. That YT reviewer had 3 for her eyes. So do the math. Already within the price of the device itself which is around $1200 for a single handle version.

It’s true that with these modalities it takes many treatments. With my RF micro needing I thought I was wasting time for the first 3-4. But I kept going and then it made up for lost time.

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#60

2-3 treatments to start with, then maintenance in a year (another 2-3 treatments), and so on for many years as aging progressing. Makes sense to buy.

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#61

Have to admit that I feel a little wary of doing it myself, but I know you’ve been at this kind of thing for a long time. I suppose I could convince my wife to do the procedure. It does seem quite straightforward. After watching the videos I would LOVE to get my hands on some umbilical derived stem cells to see what effect it might have.

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