lin
#118
I can attest that raw (non-alkalized) cocoa powder tastes great, makes for a smoother, chocolatey taste that goes very well with coffee! I have tried raw cocoa beans, those are indeed nasty
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lin
#119
It is indeed a tradeoff, for what it’s worth, tree nuts also concentrate heavy metals such as arsenic, mercury, lead, yet as a whole have favorable effects on health/mortality.
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Leonard
#120
Lin is right. Raw cacao powder is not that different from dutchyfied. The color is light brown instead of brown-red. And if it’s high quality cacao, it’s really delicious. Works in smoothies, hot cocoa and baking… even if it won’t be as raw after heating. Nu kids like the flavor , but have a slight preference for the Dutch version.
Going by the Amazon reviews have served me well, when choosing brand. Once bought from a Swedish shop what I think must have been counterfeit criollo cacao… Apparently there is a lot of trixters in the food business.
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Have you (or anyone else) found a good review of the cadmium levels, flavonal levels, etc. in the raw cacao powder options? Consumer labs is focused on all on the processed products.
I wonder about the cadmium levels of products like this:
https://www.amazon.com/Terrasoul-Superfoods-Organic-Cacao-Powder/dp/B00EFE7R8K
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lin
#122
I like buying nuts and cocoa powder from Costco precisely for this reason. Cadmium, lead, and mercury are specifically listed as chemicals covered by Costco’s “Smart Screening protocols”. https://www.costco.com/wcsstore/CostcoUSBCCatalogAssetStore/feature-pages/Attachment/Costco-Smart-Screening-Statement-170926.pdf.
The cocoa powder I bought from Costco’s baking aisle is labeled “Organic, Fair Trade Cocoa Powder”, distributed by Volupta LLC, Santa Monica (https://www.volupta.com/organic-cacao).
It appears you can buy it here (https://www.amazon.com/Volupta-Organic-Trade-Unsweetened-Powder/dp/B07CNSG3FB) at double the price at Costco (though they do not always carry it in store).
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Neo
#123
For what it is worth Bryan Johnson just answered a question on twitter about what provider he used for his 100% chocolate pieces and it seems to be
And to supplement with coco flavanols he uses (which may have been discussed earlier on this thread and was the basis of the trial in the title of this thread):
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RPS
#124
FWIW had my hair analysed recently and the results showed virtually zero for all the heavy metals but a high level of arsenic.
All the various nuts I eat are organic and the chocolate I consume is the 100% Montezuma brand.
Who knows what is responsible for the high arsenic level.
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Flavanols can come from a number of sources.
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I just wanted to give another boost to FlavaMix Performance Chocolate | FlavaNaturals.
@scta123 and @RapAdmin mentioned their product earlier in the thread. I took a deep-drive on cocoa flavanols a few years ago. I was even making my own chocolate bars using the baker’s chocolate recommended by ConsumerLabs, along with cocoa butter and allulose. But now I just use the high-flavanol chocolate powder from FlavaNaturals. Back when I was comparing all the options, they were one of the few (if not the only) company to actually list the amount of flavanols on the supplement facts label.
Here is what FlavaNaturals had to say:
FlavaMix® can generally be added to hot or warm liquids with no material loss in cocoa flavanols. However, cocoa flavanols are sensitive to extended exposure to heat so it is best to add FlavaMix® to hot liquids after they have already been heated.
It’s not a direct answer to your question, but (Ioannone et al. 2014) compared flavanol and proanthocyanidin content at three different roasting temperatures: 125, 135 and 145 °C. That’s 257, 275, and 293 °F. In all cases, much hotter than a cup of coffee! This is an abridged table from the paper:
| T (°C) |
Time (min) |
Epicatechin |
Catechin |
Epigallocatechin |
Gallocatechin |
P1 |
P2 |
P3 |
P4 |
P5 |
P6 |
P7 |
P8 |
P9 |
P10 |
| Control |
0 |
1.12 |
1.34 |
0.00 |
0.00 |
3.76 |
2.24 |
2.00 |
1.58 |
1.17 |
0.60 |
0.38 |
0.26 |
0.15 |
0.12 |
| 125 |
6 |
1.11 |
1.34 |
0.37 |
0.26 |
4.22 |
2.29 |
2.09 |
1.56 |
1.24 |
0.71 |
0.42 |
0.28 |
0.17 |
0.12 |
| 125 |
22 |
0.88 |
1.06 |
0.93 |
1.70 |
2.54 |
1.35 |
0.86 |
0.80 |
0.39 |
0.17 |
0.15 |
0.09 |
0.07 |
– |
| 135 |
5 |
0.68 |
1.19 |
0.54 |
0.18 |
3.76 |
2.24 |
2.00 |
1.58 |
1.17 |
0.60 |
0.38 |
0.26 |
0.15 |
0.12 |
| 135 |
15 |
0.53 |
1.14 |
1.30 |
1.84 |
4.03 |
2.40 |
2.10 |
1.75 |
1.40 |
0.61 |
0.35 |
0.22 |
0.11 |
0.07 |
| 145 |
9 |
0.50 |
1.17 |
0.54 |
0.18 |
2.23 |
1.33 |
0.28 |
0.60 |
0.25 |
0.20 |
0.09 |
0.10 |
0.08 |
0.05 |
| 145 |
20 |
0.32 |
0.79 |
0.82 |
1.36 |
3.22 |
1.82 |
1.22 |
0.77 |
0.66 |
0.16 |
0.10 |
0.07 |
0.07 |
– |
Interestingly, epigallocatechin and gallocatechin appear to be products of the roasting process (as they were absent in the control cocoa beans). A more relevant takeaway is that six minutes at 125 °C (257 °F) resulted in minimal degradation for the flavanols and the proanthocyanidin (P1 - P10). It’s feasible that post-processed cocoa powder would respond to boiling water differently than pre-processed cocoa beans respond to roasting, but it’s not something I worry about.
Personally, I usually mix the cocoa powder in with protein powder or meal shakes (e.g. Plenny), so high heat doesn’t come into play.
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A lot of these molecules have considerable similarities and I would assume that epigallocatechin and gallocatechin come from metabolisation of the other molecules. (see the paper I cited upthread for more info on this).
It is also clear that these are molecules where generally we want to avoid high temperature cooking or long period cooking.
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AnUser
#128
Cocoa flavanols is a flawed measurement, as any vendor can take some cacao powder and spike it with one of the flavanols in cacao to get the result they want, like EGCG. And since it’s the supplement industry it’s probably what’s happening for all supplements.
LaraPo
#129
Are you sure it’s not in water you are drinking?
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RPS
#130
I doubt it as half the population of London would have the same thing. Then again, you could be correct, and no one knows. Thanks for the idea.
Having caught up on a few other threads it see it’s possible that it could be in my taurine or glycine.
I’m going to try to find out what any long term implication might be as it feels like a Herculean costly task to work out what the cause is when there could be so many.
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LaraPo
#131
Do you drink tap water? I do, but it goes through triple filtration first. I should test my hair to see what’s there.
LaraPo
#132
You could try chelation therapy or vitamin C to get rid of arsenic.
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RPS
#133
Tap water that comes from the aquifers under London but I do filter it as well.
Good idea on upping the vitC dose, thanks.
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José
#134
FWIW
Appears this from the posting above is the item to try.
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José
#135
Make and eat large amounts of pesto made with cilantro.
Cilantro chelates heavy metal
One on many articles, search and you will locate more.
“Cilantro Can Remove Most Heavy Metals From Your Body In Less Than 2 Months!”
From a basic search;
“Cilantro has significant chelating properties that bind to heavy metals that are removed from the body through our excretory system. According to various studies, cilantro and chlorella can naturally remove an average of 87% of lead, 91% of mercury, and 74% of aluminum from the body within 45 days.134 To detoxify other neurotoxins such as phthalates, plasticizers, and insecticides, cilantro and chlorella can be added to smoothies, stir-fries, salads, juices, dressings, sauces, and rice.3 To prevent any metals from being deposited in the colon, a form of calcium bentonite clay called Pascalite can be taken mixed with water three times a day between meals while using cilantro for a detox period of two weeks.0 However, some studies have shown that cilantro leaves can produce a chelating effect in water spiked with heavy metals and that cilantro can reduce absorption of lead when food tainted with it is fed to mice.”
Why the general population does not hear about this?
It is not profitable, look up the cost of “conventional” medical chelation for lead. One of the few “FDA approved” methods.
Disclosure I do not care for consensus medicine.
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RPS
#136
Thank you for all the good ideas.
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Isn’t rice a known source of arsenic?
