#1

I think fringe mainstream ideas are much more likely to be correct as they’re typically identifying a trend in observed data, extrapolating, viewing it from a different perspective, it’s like lowering cholesterol and BP. The mainstream idea is that controlling your cholesterol is good. The fringe on this mainstream idea is keeping it low and early, and for a long time, using the same great data. We know mTOR plays a part of aging, it’s a mainstream idea in aging field. The fringe mainstream idea is to try rapamycin.

What confuses people is believing this has any relevance to fringe contrarian ideas. It’s not in the same camp, but people who hold fringe contrarian ideas love to tell you “how dare you question me denying cholesterol when you take rapamycin?”, but it’s not in the same ballpark. Mainstream ideas are that for a reason: a lot of data, science, debate, research papers. Taking it a step further or analyzing the data even better, or finding trends lets you discover even better ideas: “control your cholesterol → very low, as long as possible” “2300 mg sodium a day → even lower sodium” “control your BP → as low until you don’t get side effects, as early as possible”, etc.

What do people think? Does that clear up why people who have fringe contrarian ideas love to tell you them as if you think remotely close to how they think?

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#2

“Buddy, you have no clue what you are talking about. Statins and all cardiovascular medications weaken you. Our brains need cholesterol!
Whole plant foods raw vegan diet, along with fasting if you worry about cholesterol.
If not, high saturated fat nutrition plan like our ancestors ate.
Butter, nose to tail animals, whole fat milk and cream. Low fiber intake to turbo charge your sex hormone production.
As many grams of salt as you can handle for muscle pumps. Fruits for carbs and potassium.
Fructose foods will power your mitochondria, thyroid, and whole body better than any other nutrient on earth.
As many eggs as you can eat - fried in butter. Your metabolism will be like a rocket ship beyond what Tesla or Space-X will ever accomplish.
Limit PUFA’s as they will poison your cells and metabolism.
Herbs for any viral, bacterial, parasitical issues. Urine therapy for those in serious help.
Blast your skin with the sun to get those vitamin D levels topped up.
Taking a synthetic pill will harm you or possibly kill you. Just poison!
Alkaline water is your best friend.
I might be typing you this message on current computer science technology, but you best believe I don’t give a :poop: about modern health and medical sciences.
They are there to weaken you and keep you in the continual cycle of buying their products.
What you do think we did for 1000’s of years to survive?
For more info you can sign up for a personal consultation, $100/hr”

Fringe contrarian level 2

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#3

I tend to agree that this is a useful way to look at some of the health related tends, treatments and issues.

Most of the stuff that we follow here and adopt are just early in the adoption cycles. The data is trending strongly in one direction and we are just not willing to wait until all the long term human trials are complete to more definitively tell us if all the previous data is accurate. There is risk and reward in this approach.

The fringe contrarians are very different than this - they seem to generally be taking small bits of early data that is completely contrary to the mainstream. This seems like a much more risky propositionsition to me as you also need to somehow justify or write-off all the mainstream research, the bulk of the research in a given area.

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#4

I think we did die by the age of 40 if not earlier. Or do you think there were centenarians then?

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#5

Humans used to be immortal until the invention of seed oils.

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#6

@Ambient is being ironic, that’s also why the text is in quotation marks.

A few of those aren’t fringe contrarianism, though.

It might be because the effects of such decisions isn’t really discoverable, fringe contrarianism can take almost a whole lifetime until the maiming stroke from uncontrolled cholesterol and BP show up. And you only hear from the survivors. I guess good scanning tech and biomarkers help with this. You really can’t deny finding soft plaque in the heart or a decline in kidney function.

#7

I was pretending to sound like a fringe contrarian from what I’ve read, or heard online.
You are probably correct with the age of 40 or earlier.

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#8

The difficulty really is that it is easier to promote contrarian views than mainstream views as the internet algorithms focus on excitement and clickbait rather than truth.

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