I was really torn on Vitamin D. Correlational studies linked low Vitamin D to many disease states (mostly autoimmune) However RCT failed to show any measurable improvement. I treat low vitamin D under 30 in my patients with very conservative replacement since we had no proof that it would work and to avoid any potential side effects of over-treatment. Many immunologists don’t even check the Vitamin D levels. I Personally I limited my dose to about 10,000 I.U. per week.

This new RCT could elucidate why those previous RCT’s have failed. Correcting Vitamin D levels should occur in early stages of the disease or better yet… years before the disease first onset. This makes sense for any nutritional deficiency - like Fish Oil for delaying or preventing dementia - has to be started probably like 20 years prior to onset. So given this RCT and the recently discussed
Individual and additive effects of vitamin D, omega-3 and exercise on DNA methylation clocks of biological aging in older adults from the DO-HEALTH trial” I decided to increase my dose 5,000 I.U. daily, I was little weary of the higher dose given my mother’s history of kidney stones.

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/rare-win-vitamin-d-this-time-ms-2025a10005ul

A Rare Win for Vitamin D — This Time in MS

F. Perry Wilson, MD, MSCE

[DISCLOSURES ](javascript:void(0);)| March 10, 2025

21

588

Add to Email Alerts

00:0908:34

This transcript has been edited for clarity.

Welcome to Impact Factor, your weekly dose of commentary on a new medical study. I’m Dr F. Perry Wilson from the Yale School of Medicine.

Study after study across diseases, from Alzheimer’s disease to Zika virus infection, has shown that low vitamin D level is a risk factor for bad outcomes. Seriously, I challenge you to find a disease state where there isn’t at least some data suggesting worse outcomes among people with vitamin D deficiency.

And yet, when the inevitable randomized trial of vitamin D supplementation comes around, you get nothing. It’s become a bit of a running joke on this blog — the compelling observational data shut down by the definitive randomized trial.

SUGGESTED FOR YOU

So, we have good data that low levels are associated with various problems but a failure to show that correcting those levels makes a difference. The implication is simple: It’s the classic case of correlation vs causation. Low vitamin D levels are simply correlated with bad outcomes; they don’t cause bad outcomes. It’s not actually the vitamin D that is causing the problem; people who are sick for other reasons just happen to have low vitamin D. I actually give a lecture to the med students citing just these studies to convince them that randomized trials are superior sources of evidence than observational research.

That said, science demands that we reevaluate our priors when new data arrive. And new data have arrived, in the form of a randomized trial that, for once, shows a benefit of vitamin D supplementation. In just one disease, yes. But it’s an important one: multiple sclerosis (MS).

People with lower vitamin D levels have a higher risk for MS, and of those who develop MS, those with lower vitamin D levels have worse symptoms. But that’s the case with, well, just about every disease, because lower vitamin D levels are a marker of a lot of things: poorer health overall, less sun exposure, a less varied diet, and so on. It’s a biomarker of a healthy lifestyle. So, it’s not surprising that several prior randomized trials of vitamin D supplementation in MS have been disappointing.

But a trial can be negative for a few different reasons. There’s the common one: The treatment just doesn’t work for the disease. But there are other possibilities. Maybe the treatment was given at the wrong time, or when the disease had progressed too far. Or maybe the trial simply didn’t enroll enough people to detect a reasonable signal.

Now this study, from Eric Thouvenot and colleagues, appearing in JAMA, remedies some of those prior deficits and suggests a new role for vitamin D in MS. Let’s break down how it worked.

The investigators enrolled 316 individuals with “clinically isolated syndrome” (CIS). CIS is basically the earliest possible presentation of MS, a first episode of an MS-like syndrome such as optic neuritis. Not everyone with CIS will progress to full-blown MS, but many do. So, the first special fact about this trial is they are hitting these participants early.

The second important difference from some of the prior work is the vitamin D dose. The intervention group in this trial got 100,000 international units of oral cholecalciferol every 2 weeks. This is a big dose. The vitamin D3 you get at the local vitamin store is 1000 international units; this dose is 100 times that. Even dosed less frequently, it’s a lot. That is not without risk. Supratherapeutic doses of vitamin D can cause elevated calcium levels, kidney stones, nausea, vomiting, confusion, and so on. I’ll get to whether this happened in this study in a bit.

But first, let’s look at the patient population. A fairly young group (remember, they were enrolled at the first MS-consistent symptom); the average age was around 35. Seventy percent were female and 40% were active smokers (the study was conducted in France, where smoking is more prevalent). About 20% had severe vitamin D insufficiency, a level less than 30 nmol/L. The average time to receiving either the vitamin D or placebo was about 60 days from the initial presentation. By that time, 80% of the study population had received high-dose steroid therapy, which is pretty much standard of care.

I will point out that no one in this study received disease-modifying therapy such as interferon treatments; that was an exclusion criterion. So basically, this was a population of young individuals, newly diagnosed with early MS, who were not at super high risk for progression, at least at the time the study started.

But I’m sure you want to see the results. The primary outcome of this study was “disease activity,” and you could hit that outcome in two ways. First, a relapse of symptoms. Second, the development of new or growing lesions on MRI. MS has some characteristic findings on brain scans. Participants got follow-up MRIs at 3, 12, and 24 months.

So let’s take a look at what happened.

An increase in disease activity occurred in 74% of individuals in the placebo group, compared with 60% of individuals in the vitamin D group. That’s a 14% absolute risk reduction, which is fairly impressive.

photo of High dose vitamin D

It means that you would need to treat seven individuals with early MS with vitamin D to save one person from disease progression. That’s not bad, especially for a relatively inexpensive intervention like a vitamin.

The median time to progression was significantly longer in the vitamin D group as well: 432 days vs 224 days in the placebo group. That’s around a 7-month difference.

So far, I’m impressed. But let’s take a look at some of the subgroup analyses to figure out what might really be going on here.

The first thing I want to show you is the effect of vitamin D supplementation, stratified by baseline vitamin D level. What you see here is that the supplements are dramatically more effective when the patient has vitamin D insufficiency to begin with.

photo of High dose vitamin D

This isn’t particularly surprising, I suppose; it is fairly typical that vitamins have threshold effects. Once you hit a target — and for vitamin D something like 50 nmol/L might be reasonable — getting higher above that target doesn’t offer too much extra benefit.

The other significant finding was this: The vitamin was much more effective in people without spinal cord lesions — in other words, in people with a less severe initial presentation.

photo of High dose vitamin D

Adding to the implication that vitamin D might be best among people with less severe disease, we see that it seems to work better among the minority of people in the study who did not get intravenous steroids at the initial diagnosis. The fact that they didn’t get that therapy suggests that their presentation was milder. So, should we be giving vitamin D only to those with an initial presentation of MS that is fairly mild?

photo of High dose vitamin D

The answer to that question depends exquisitely on the risks associated with high-dose vitamin D supplementation. If it’s very risky, you’ll want to limit its use. If not, well, maybe it’s not as effective in those with worse disease but maybe it couldn’t hurt?

It seems pretty darn safe. Only two patients developed hypercalcemia during the trial, and both of them were in the placebo group. No one developed severe hypercalcemia or kidney failure. It may be a bit early to look for kidney stones, though.

Still, it’s hard to look at this trial as anything except a powerful and — to me, at least — unexpected victory for high-dose vitamin D supplementation in early MS. I think those testing vitamin D for other disease states, who look at the literature and see all those negative trials, might do well to learn some lessons from this study. If you want to design the next positive randomized trial of vitamin D, maybe start supplementation early, and when you supplement, go for big doses. Will it work for all those diseases, from Alzheimer’s to Zika? Of course not. But the first step to finding therapies that do work is to design the proper study to figure it out.

6 Likes

From what I remember that paper only found benefits in older women with low baseline levels.

The survival curves suddenly separate at 3 months (because that’s when they do the MRI?) but then the difference between the curve stays the same. Combined with “What you see here is that the supplements are dramatically more effective when the patient has vitamin D insufficiency to begin with.” this suggests that once you resolve the deficiency (and maybe doing it quickly with a huge dose matters) additional benefits are non existant. If Vitamin D supplementation really had benefits we would see the curves separate further over time. What would be interesting is to see these survival curves in people with normal vitamin D serum levels are baseline.

Also interesting: they pulsed a massive dose instead of taking 7,000 UI daily. What do you think about that @John_Hemming?

8 Likes

It definitely works better for people that are deficient and there is probably a certain blood level at which there is no further improvement. I used to think that level (generalized for all disease) was about 30, but what’s the downside of shooting for 50 ? Going over 100 is not a good idea, as you can get in to side effects, >150 is considered Vit. toxicity.

3 Likes

Which unit are you using?

In the paper the population was the following:

Untreated patients with CIS aged 18 to 55 years with CIS duration less than 90 days, serum vitamin D concentration less than 100 nmol/L, and diagnostic magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) meeting 2010 criteria for dissemination in space or 2 or more lesions and presence of oligoclonal bands were recruited.

100 nmol/L = 40 ng/mL

Then they say that the benefits were mostly seen in people with serum levels below 30 nmol/L. That’s 12 ng/mL! It’s very severe deficiency.

I’m willing to be that if you look in this study at people with baseline serum levels between 75 and 100 nmol/L (so between 30 and 40 ng/mL) you’d see zero benefits of supplementation.

As written in the article you cited: “Once you hit a target — and for vitamin D something like 50 nmol/L might be reasonable — getting higher above that target doesn’t offer too much extra benefit.”

50 nmol/L = 20 ng/mL

3 Likes

Damn, I missed that. Yes, I typically use ng/mL I guess in France they use nmol/L

1 Like

I think people dont understand the difference between cholecalciferol and 25od

2 Likes

Yes, most of the world uses nmol/L. Especially in scientific papers.

3 Likes

I think there is an even stronger correlation with vitamin D deficiency and prostate cancer, a concern of many people on this site. It is especially true for Black men.

4 Likes

Yes deficiency is bad. The question is: is there any benefits in supplementation when you’re not deficient?

1 Like

Thats a good question.

I have started with the assumption that the roughly 1,000 genes which are transcribed by vitamin D (1,25 dihydroxy vitamin d) are genes that are helpful to the body. Hence probably best to have them functioning.

Hence I go for the top end of the normal range. (although I have overdone it at times)

However, I don’t think there are studies looking at say 250 nmol/l vs 50 nmol/l.

I know that when I experimented a few years ago with taking largish doses of cholecalciferol and letting it run down after a few days I would start feeling quite worse. But I was not doing blood tests then.

There is a role for some more experimentation with various levels of 25OHD.

3 Likes

More importantly, how do you define deficiency and sufficiency? Many health authorities believe the 30 nmol level is way too low to demarcate deficiency and adequate is more like 50.

2 Likes

Sufficiency = 75 nmol/L = 30 ng/dL

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK525404/table/app_1/

1 Like

Sonora Quest: Vitamin D is called a “vitamin” because of its exogenous source, predominately from oily fish in the form of vitamin D 2 and vitamin D 3.
It is more accurate to consider fat-soluble Vitamin D as a steroid hormone, synthesized by the skin and metabolized by the kidney to an
active hormone, calcitriol. Clinical disorders related to vitamin D may arise because of altered availability of the parent vitamin D, altered
conversion of vitamin D to its predominant metabolites, altered organ responsiveness to dihydroxylated metabolites and disturbances in
the interactions of the vitamin D metabolites with PTH and calcitonin. Normal levels of Vitamin D range from 20 – 50 ng/dl. This LCD
identifies the indications and limitations of Medicare coverage and reimbursement for the lab assay.

1 Like

Is it… mg or ng?

:scream: Thanks, damned units. I edited my message.

1 Like

Super interesting study. The ‘survival’ curves are really weird. They have one big deviation, then the curves look almost identical. Does anybody know what’s going on there?

If you take those with the lowest starting levels, it’s very intuitive to believe that they would see the greatest benefit from supplementing. However, those subgroup analyses aren’t as well powered due to the small sample size. You also have regression to the mean to account for, where outliers naturally tend to return towards average levels. So IMO, I don’t place a huge amount of value on that. It’s also kinda arbitrary where you draw the cutoff for “deficient”. That 30 nmol/L makes a nice graph, but what if we said 25 or 35 instead? Would the trend still be there? What would be more useful is an actual dose-response analysis looking at baseline levels and the actual benefit obtained. If the “deficiency correction” model is true, we should see a dose-response up to a ceiling at which point there is no additional benefit.

IMO, the epidemiological evidence is pretty damn strong that being deficient is bad for you, in multiple ways. So I personally aim for a 25-OH blood level of 50 ng/mL which is a little arbitrary but seems like a nice target number that isn’t excessively high.

2 Likes

Yes. Vitamin D insufficiency and deficiency are the beasts we need to slay. According to sources, 50% of the global population is insufficient in vitamin D. I’d say that’s a pretty good reason to supplement with vitamin D.

50% of the global population has vitamin D insufficiency.
Approximately 35% of adults in the United States have vitamin D deficiency.

2 Likes

That’s was my thought exactly, I use shoot closer for 30ng/mL but there may some benefit of going to 50ng/mL with negligible risk. Most Vitamin D3K2 come in 5,000 I.U. daily, I used to take about 2 per week to maintain around 30. I am currently in process of dose loading with daily 5,000 for few weeks and maintain QOD and recheck the levels in few months.

1 Like

See if you can find Calcifediol rather than Cholecalciferol.

Also I think people should not take D3 and K2 together as the dosing needs to be controlled separately. It may be, in fact, that K2 should be much higher. However, being limited to the ratio in a D3K2 supplement is restrictive.

4 Likes

I have always aimed for 50, the doc says to go a little higher, usually I’m in the 40’s. Just got back from my yearly physical and it was 100! I take 5000 daily and now have 3 sperti lamps I used (5 minutes) every night all winter. Apparently I don’t need the 5000 any more. Of course we get nothing from the sun here in winter.

3 Likes