Yes, I am presuming some of his other proposals will result in government action. He has a lot of longstanding positions that leave little to the imagination. I hope I am wrong about his proposals becoming govt. action, because those proposals are deadly.

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What politicians say on campaign trail and what they do when in office tends to differ wildly, so no I don’t expect him to ban any vaccines let alone all. I do however think he might make some of them voluntary as opposed to mandatory. Latest we heard from him he said we would not touch the vaccines at all, but who knows, we will have to wait and see.
After Trump win, RFK Jr. says he won’t ‘take away anybody’s vaccines’

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It is a common truism that the person who is responsible for your health is staring at you in the mirror. The government can be helpful or harmful to your health, but if you are looking for a helping hand, the best one is attached to your arm. This is why we use Indian pharmacies, order our own tests, pick our own doctors and heath advisors, why we study and research health ourselves, and take trips abroad for medical tourism.

So I don’t care who gets appointed for what. I never counted on that anyway, because I saw the track record decades ago. We set curing cancer as a priority #1, back in the 70’s - cancer is still killing at rates only exceeded by CVD. Vaccines were a great medical achievement, therefore we immediately looked for ways to undermine the very concept. We had some success in getting rates of MACE down, so we immediately looked for ways to undermine that accomplishment. Statins have been some of the most beneficial medications ever invented, so we immediately unleashed social media firestorms of statin denialism. Conspiracy thinking infecting goverment institutions? Very expected.

Who in their right mind imagines that any appointment to a governmental medical establishment is going to move the needle on longevity in 4 years? And who thinks that the best way to fix a troubled system is to throw a grenade at it? I’ll tell you who - it’s the same person who sees that a situation is bad, and therefore thinks any change must therefore automatically be good; what that person never sees is the other outcome of blowing up the status quo - the change can be for the worse. I know this, because all my life I’ve heard the “it’s so bad, it can’t get worse”, and “it’s already bad, what do we have to lose”. And then the shocking, shocking discovery, that yes, Virginia, it can get worse, and a lot worse. Rinse, repeat. Right now there’s that mood again, of well we seem to be on the wrong path, what the heck, let the dog take the wheel for now, it can’t get any worse.

Reform is a difficult, often frustratingly slow process that needs rational evidence based consideration, and not ideology and hot takes.

I too am frustrated and disgusted by the dysfunction of our medical research establishment. It’s just that I am old enough to know that randomly blowing up the system based on someone’s ideology free from evidence, not only never leads to success, but results in much, much worse outcomes. Change is good, and change is necessary, but what kind of change makes ALL the difference. A difficult situation on the chessboard is frustrating and needs hard thinking and deliberation, but the solution is not to, out of that frustration, throw the whole chessboard off the table.

In the end, there’s not much point in speculating about who gets appointed to what position and what they’ll be doing there. We’ve seen this movie before, and we have the track record when it comes personnel turnover, tenure and “accomplishments”. There is no reason whatsoever to expect anything different. Which is why I personally will pay zero attention to the brownian motion of personality appointments, and focus, as always, on what it is that I can do for my health. YMMV.

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I never suggested blowing up the system. What I did suggest if the system is getting blown up might as well fill it up with our guys in the aftermath with a lack of a better term. Those with great credentials who stay away makes it an even greater opportunity for those who have them and don’t and are aligned with preventative medicine, longevity, healthspan research, etc.

Prompted by a question from an audience member regarding what he would do if he could wave a “magic wand,” Kennedy responded: “We need to act fast, and we want to have those people in place on January 20 so that on January 21, 600 people are going to walk into offices at NIH, and 600 people are going to leave.”

Kennedy previously proposed in a Wall Street Journal op-ed that half of NIH’s research budget should be spent on “preventative, alternative and holistic” medicines.
RFK Jr. Suggests Replacing Hundreds of Federal Health Employees - Newsweek

If we can motivate longevity researchers to join the administration or at least not shame them for doing so, maybe there could be many of them in the NIH and actually push for highly effective research and preventative medicine.

If even 2% of the NIH budget is spent towards anti-aging repurposing to target the entire aging system to prevent chronic disease, like rapamycin from Rapa Nui – that would be a much better situation than we are at today, for example.

I am pro vaccine, but I think the CDC and FDA completely botched the COVID response and caused possibly irreparable harm to confidence in health care. Having said that I’m pro vaccine, if Kennedy got rid of the vaccine requirements but also got rid of obesity would that be better or worse?

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Overall, this is a good and important discussion for people to have. We can debate endlessly about what is right or wrong with the current health system, but there are things that definitely need to change. The days of censoring scientists and doctors for disagreeing with the narrative are over, and that’s a good thing.

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If a person yells “FIRE!!!” in a crowded theater (when there is no fire), and a stampede ensues that causes many injuries/deaths, would you complain about this person being “censored”?

Falsely claiming that vaccines cause autism, for instance (which is demonstrably untrue) is like yelling “fire” in a crowded theater, except in this case it results in many, many more deaths than the theater example.

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I agree that things need to change, NOT so optimistic they’ll will though. We’ve heard similar songs played before (on campaign trails) to never be played again when in office. Let’s hope this time is the time that the much-needed change is coming. I don’t want to dwell too much into what someone running for office says but one thing I could not disagree with him was when he says there is tens of substances/chemicals that are banned in European Union food supply, yet perfectly legal in USA.

One of them has got to be wrong and in matters as important as food and health I tend to side with safer is better. But again, I’m not specifically well versed on the issue as I have not researched it much, but from a commonsense standpoint things like these kind of make sense.

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If vaccines did cause autism (this really isn’t my area of expertise) or death, the vaccine manufacturers have liability protection so they wouldn’t care either way. They’re protected from any patient adverse reactions. That is so wrong on many levels given many people don’t have a choice. RFK wants to change that, which is a very good thing.

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The downside to this would be what if/when we have another pandemic and people are dropping like flies? Are the vaccine manufacturers going to still be willing to step up and get new vaccines ready as soon as possible if they might get sued? It might stifle innovation, cause extensive delays, and result in many, many more people dying than otherwise would have.

I’m not saying liability/no liability is definitely the way to go, just that it’s important to look at the issue from multiple sides and potential outcomes.

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He is focused on podcast broscience. He’s against seed oils, colors, flavors, vaccines. He’s for psychedelics and peptides and hormone replacement.

Now not all of this is entirely wrong, but a lot of it is and he seems to hold the smug conspiratorial position that these are the the primary causes of chronic disease. Not metabolic disease, heart disease, mTor signalling, or any of the actual hallmarks of aging.

I think it really depends on who the real scientific advisors are. He’s gotten the attention he has for saying what people want to believe, not what the evidence shows. I hope he can be influenced by evidence.

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I’d say it usually is.

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Time to make this thread funnier

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It is ok to discuss whether childhood vaccines should be mandated for school attendance, but we really should be past discussing whether they cause autism or have been tested adequately. The results are nothing short of miraculous when looking at serious deadly illnesses such as measles. I submit for your consideration:

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You are correct, we should not try to make this thread about just vaccines. I somewhat disagree that the question of vaccine efficacy is not related to the original post’s question. Increased vaccine scepticism is clearly a net negative for public health.

On other areas, I welcome more debate around dietary guidelines and the power of the big food companies. In particular, I think addressing the farm bill’s subsidies for sugar, corn, and soy would be welcome. That would be a massive challenge in the US political system, since many states enjoy the subsidies conferred by the federal government.

In terms of health care more generally, addressing the cost of care, the power of insurance companies - all welcome, but difficult challenges.

Ultimately, we are simply cogs in a massive machine. We can’t expect the health care system to change much, even with a disruptor in the white house. Take charge of your own health and your families. Encourage others to care for their bodies and minds. We have amazing drugs at our disposal, addressing the risk of high LDL, hypertension, blood glucose, various longevity pathways. Biohackers come together in forums like this. I can honestly say and hope joining this forum will change my life for the better. Thanks to RapAdmin and all the other mods and regulars for making this place what it is!

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LOL, that’s a look he gives when people use toothpaste with fluoride

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Parents also should be able to send their kids to school without worrying about their child contracting smallpox or measles.

BTW, no parent is ever forced to vaccinate their child in USA… they have a choice, but the kid may have to do home school or private school (that allows it). But that’s the choice.

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If their kids choose to get the measles vaccine, then why do they have to worry about other kids who don’t?

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Come on you should know better, than to make this tired, old argument… :roll_eyes:

Two doses of MMR vaccine are about 97% effective at preventing measles; one dose is about 93% effective.
NO VACCINE IS 100 % EFFECTIVE !

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