If everyone is jacked then it comes down to facial attractiveness, height, personality, wealth, skills, conversation ability and more. Basically the same as now. The lazy skinny kid smoking weed would become the lazy jacked kid smoking weed. Maybe slightly less lazy simply due to increased muscle mass giving a bit more energy.
I don’t think this is a good place to come from when criticizing something. I say this as a guy who has been exercising for many years and is in the middle of a workout right now.
The future we seek involves increasingly complex solutions to problems we face which simplify our lives. When our focus no longer needs to be on things it needs to focus on right now, it can go elsewhere. It is a reduction in decision fatigue which can be beneficial.
I think this is an important discussion and I’d like to hear more input from others on this.
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LukeMV
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To clarify, I’m certainly not criticizing anyone who is busting their butts at the gym. I have all the respect in the world for them, including you. I would imagine the majority of folks who post here are exercising as well. Many people here who post pictures look great and I’m cheering everyone on.
I’m really talking about the people who just don’t work out at all.
I agree that it’s an important discussion.
I originally made this post not necessarily specifically due to me thinking myostatin inhibitors or activin A inhibitors being the best thing. It was because I know there are going to be new drugs coming in the market because the time has come for them.
Once something comes along and is proven, would you use them? I’d consider it. I’m not interested in getting huge, but I do think too much exercise begins to have diminishing returns and even is detrimental compared to moderate exercise. I think maybe they can have benefit in allowing us to get a bit more out of exercise without causing harm to ourselves (in fact this is something I think about in general with regenerative medicine, something other people may not think about enough).
I have a hard time viewing you and I using it for a purpose like this, and disabled/elderly people using them to allow them to walk and become independent again, but then feel like the average person does not deserve access to it.
The motivation approach has been tried aggressively but all people are not receptive to it at all times. Some people need to hit rock bottom to receive that message. It’s not healthy to wait that long. I feel the same way about GLP1s.
Another interesting parallel with GLP1s I saw when they first came out were diabetic patients angry at non-diabetics for using GLP1s. They blamed them for their inability to access GLP1 medication because other people were using them.
People feel all kinds of ways about this stuff.
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LukeMV
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I agree with your post, especially this part. It sounds like we are just viewing it under a different lens.
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I don’t think you have anything to worry about. These drugs could be amazing and still fall short of all the hype.
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Being jacked would just become the default look and everyone would focus on something else.
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I would love it if jacked were the default.
Being A BEAST is better than OBESE as the default.
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Sickly looking people everywhere is very uninspiring. I’d prefer everyone to be healthy and vital.
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I don’t think the “jacked” part will happen without resistance training, even with great new drugs. Even with the super potent anabolic steroids, yes they can cause muscle growth by themselves without training, but without training do they make you look “jacked”? I highly doubt it. There’s probably always going to have to be at least “some” effort that will need to be made to look muscular.
Being lean and toned, on the other hand, will be far more attainable without training.
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Physical exercise causes biological processes in the human body that cause it to increase muscle size and density. It stands to reason that those processes could be activated by a peptide which mimics physical exercise.
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Research shows… getting elevated testosterone shots without working out (i.e. couch potatoes 
) get a little benefit, but not like those doing muscle resistance workouts. Huge difference in muscles and physiology.
Testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) can lead to some muscle growth and fat loss even without exercise, but the effects are generally modest compared to combining TRT with a workout routine.
Here’s why:
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Testosterone helps build muscle: It stimulates protein synthesis, which is the process of creating new muscle proteins. It also helps inhibit protein degradation, reducing the rate at which muscle proteins break down. However, without the stimulus of exercise, particularly resistance training, the extent of muscle growth will be limited.
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Exercise enhances TRT’s benefits: Exercise, especially weight training, creates micro-tears in muscle fibers. Testosterone helps repair these tears, leading to muscle growth. Therefore, combining TRT with exercise can lead to significantly greater strength and muscle development than TRT alone.
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TRT may lead to modest fat loss: Studies have shown that TRT can lead to modest reductions in body fat, especially visceral fat (fat around the internal organs). However, these effects are more pronounced when combined with regular physical activity.
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Exercise helps maximize results: Exercise enhances the body’s metabolism, muscle-building potential, and fat-burning capabilities, maximizing the benefits of TRT for muscle growth and fat loss.
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Other factors to consider: While TRT can be helpful for men with low testosterone levels, it’s not a substitute for healthy lifestyle habits. Maintaining a balanced diet and exercising regularly are still essential for overall health and well-being, even when undergoing TRT.
In summary: TRT can have a positive impact on muscle mass and body composition even without exercise, but the benefits are significantly enhanced when combined with regular physical activity.
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Yes, but what if you could use a peptide that mimics the trigger that activates after exercise? I am not talking about steroids here.
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Hahaha 
… true.
I will believe it when I see it. I think this biological cheat might lack muscle memory from strenuous exercise. A different kind of benefit.
I will stick to old school workouts.
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LukeMV
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Pretty much all peptides have failed to produce any significant muscle building effect over the years. I remember when gh secretagogues started getting hyped up on bodybuilding forums all the way back in 2011 and then all those guys pretty much abandoned them since they didn’t have even close to the same effects as anabolic steroids. Now it’s mostly the natural guys using them, ironically.
SARMs also turned out to be a big fail since most have the same deleterious effects but with worse results.
Unless these drugs turn out to have steroid like effects with no side effects, the stuff that really works are the things you need to pay some sort of health price for. It’s risk vs reward until something else comes along.
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Of course, I am old, but I spent a bunch of money on various “growth” peptides in the last year. I coupled it with some increased time at the gym doing resistance training. There was no result that I could discern, good or bad. No subjective feelings to report either. I would suggest to a friend, “Save your money.”
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Have you ever tried HGH or do you have an opinion on it? I read some good testimonials and am thinking of trying it …
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GH secretagogues are annoying as hell. You have to fast before and after using them.
Honestly just use HGH if you’re going to use anything, but I don’t think having elevated IGF1 is healthy so I no longer pursue that.
You really don’t need to worry about fasting for these compounds. The published studies with tesamorelin did not involve fasting at all, and it worked well (FDA approval). In fact, NOT being fasted can increase the production of IGF-1 in the liver from GH stimulus, even if GH secretion itself is mildly less than it would have been fasted. Anecdotally, people who use these compounds and then check/recheck IGF-1 periodically (posting on various forums) have seen no difference in fasting/non-fasting.
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Fair enough. I’ve been off GH secretagogues for a while and my IGF1 is almost as high as it was before.
I was 28.5 nmol/L while on Ipamoralin/CJC
Now I’m 23.3 nmol/L on none of them, though I am using TRT cream.
