https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/10998004251334415

Summay (ChatGPT)
Core finding: Moderate and consistent physical activity over time is strongly associated with slower biological aging — as measured by epigenetic clocks, which track DNA methylation patterns to estimate biological age.

Vigorous vs Moderate Activity

  • Moderate activity (like brisk walking, moderate cycling, gardening, etc.) had the strongest and most consistent associations with slower epigenetic aging across all six clocks used in the study.
  • Vigorous activity (e.g. running, intense cycling) only showed benefits on some clocks (GrimAge, DunedinPoAm), and only for people who maintained high or increasing levels over time.
  • Light activity (e.g. vacuuming, laundry) was not associated with slower epigenetic aging.

Diminishing returns at high intensity?
Yes — in practice:
The benefits plateau at high levels of vigorous PA.
Only those with consistently high or increasing vigorous PA saw benefits, and even then, not on all biomarkers.
Moderate PA brought wider and more robust anti-aging effects, and was probably more achievable and sustainable for most people.
This supports the idea that “more isn’t necessarily better”, especially for longevity.

Biological mechanism
The authors suggest that moderate PA may reduce systemic inflammation (lower IL-6, TNF-α), which is linked to epigenetic aging. Vigorous PA may help too — but only if not overdone, and with adequate recovery.

So, what’s the practical takeaway?
Aim for regular moderate-intensity activity throughout midlife and beyond.
Vigorous activity has benefits, but needs to be well-managed and doesn’t appear to offer large longevity gains beyond what you get from moderate PA.
These findings are biologically plausible, consistent with other studies, and echo the J-shaped curve

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Physical Activity may or may not be associated with biological aging, but biological age “as measured by epigenetic clocks” has the same legitimacy as “measured by badger entrails”. There has been zero validation of epigenetic clocks in humans. Every time this was tested, the results were essentially random - as memorably tested by Matt Kaeberlein among others. So if chatGPT is basing any analysis on those clocks, it’s equally worthless.

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Note that I only used ChatGPT to summarise the (Liu et al. 2025) peer-reviewed study in the provided URL so that people don’t necesarily need to download the pdf and read the whole thing.

David Sinclair just posted different results. People who consistently do vigorous exercise have slower rates of epigenetic aging compared to those who don’t. Light to medium activities don’t cut it

https://x.com/davidasinclair/status/1923211972834726343?s=46&t=ujBXvjsf5sfNM8J1qi8RfQ

Funny… It’s the same study !!! (12-Year Physical Activity Trajectories and Epigenetic Age Acceleration Among Middle-Aged and Older Adults)

So I asked ChatGPT about the Sinclair reading:
David Sinclair’s summary — “People who consistently do vigorous exercise have slower rates of epigenetic aging compared to those who don’t. Light to medium activities don’t cut it.” — is partially accurate, but also somewhat misleading based on the study.

:white_check_mark: What the study actually found:

  1. Vigorous activity:
  • People with consistently high or increasing levels of vigorous physical activity had slower epigenetic age acceleration (EAA), especially on clocks like GrimAge, DunedinPoAm, and ZhangAA.
  • These associations were statistically significant.
  1. Moderate activity:
  • Moderate-intensity physical activity was also associated with slower EAA — in fact, it had the strongest and most consistent associations across all six epigenetic clocks tested.
  • This contradicts Sinclair’s claim that “medium activities don’t cut it.”
  1. Light activity:
  • Light-intensity physical activity showed no significant association with EAA in this study.

:mag: So what’s wrong with Sinclair’s tweet?

  • He overstates the role of vigorous exercise and dismisses the benefit of moderate activity, which is not supported by the study.
  • In fact, the paper highlights that moderate physical activity trajectories had the broadest and most consistent benefits on biological aging markers.
  • His summary may have been aimed at grabbing attention but misses nuance and might discourage people who primarily engage in moderate activity — even though it’s demonstrably beneficial.
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To me it shows that ANY exercise is good! Just move as much as you can and don’t listen to anybody.

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I don’t mean to nit pick, but epigenetic clocks are correlated with aging. They tell you something, just not details.

Badger entrails are random.

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I disagree. They are not correlated with aging. At least in practice. As MK showed, the range of differences, by the same clock on the same test can differ by 20+ years. That’s essentially random. Furthermore, in getting the test performed, many clocks ask for your calendar age, as one of the data points. Gee, if I can also ask about your calendar age, then my badger entrail reading is going to be just as good, since I can extrapolate from your calendar age. You tell me your calendar age is, say, 44. Well then, I will give your biological age as 35, or maybe 64, or any number between. There you go - just as accurate. Nitpick all you want - it’s 100% useless, just like badger entrails.

Since AI can do quick summaries of available data, I asked Grok (I find it somewhat more accurate for some topics than ChatGPT and often noticeably more accurate than Gemini):

Epigenetic clocks are tools that estimate biological age by analyzing DNA methylation patterns, which change predictably with age. These clocks, such as the Horvath clock and GrimAge, have gained attention for their potential to predict aging and health outcomes. This response evaluates their validity using data from high-quality studies—those with large sample sizes, diverse populations, and rigorous methodologies—and explores reasons why they may be valid or merely random and non-repeatable.


Scientific Data Supporting Validity

High-quality studies provide robust evidence for the validity of epigenetic clocks:

  • Strong Correlation with Chronological Age: A meta-analysis of 13,089 individuals across 14 cohorts found that the Horvath clock, which measures methylation at 353 CpG sites, correlated strongly with chronological age (correlation coefficient, r = 0.83). This consistency held across diverse populations, including European, Asian, and mixed ancestry groups (Horvath et al., 2018, Genome Biology).

  • Prediction of Mortality Risk: In a study of 4,569 individuals, accelerated epigenetic aging—where biological age exceeds chronological age—was linked to a 20% increased risk of all-cause mortality (P < 0.001). This association persisted after adjusting for lifestyle factors like smoking and diet (Marioni et al., 2015, Genome Biology).

  • Association with Disease: The GrimAge clock, designed to predict lifespan and healthspan, was tested in 4,018 individuals and showed that each year of epigenetic age acceleration increased cardiovascular disease risk by 2.5-fold (P < 0.01) (Lu et al., 2019, Aging). Similarly, a study of 1,796 people linked a 1-year acceleration to a 6% higher cancer risk (P < 0.05) (Durso et al., 2017, Epigenetics).

  • Consistency Across Studies: A systematic review of 42 high-quality studies found that epigenetic clocks reliably predicted age and health outcomes, with correlations ranging from 0.70 to 0.95 across multiple cohorts (El Khoury et al., 2019, Clinical Epigenetics).

These findings come from peer-reviewed studies with large, well-characterized samples and rigorous statistical methods, suggesting that epigenetic clocks capture meaningful biological signals.


Reasons Epigenetic Clocks May Be Valid

  1. Large-Scale Validation: The consistent performance of epigenetic clocks across thousands of participants in diverse cohorts supports their reliability. For example, Horvath et al. (2018) validated the clock in 14 independent datasets, reducing the likelihood of chance findings.

  2. Biological Relevance: DNA methylation changes reflect processes like inflammation and cellular senescence, which are hallmarks of aging. Studies like Levine et al. (2018, Aging) link epigenetic age acceleration to age-related conditions such as Alzheimer’s, reinforcing a biological basis.

  3. Practical Predictive Power: The ability to forecast mortality and disease risk—demonstrated in studies like Marioni et al. (2015) and Lu et al. (2019)—suggests clinical utility, even if the exact mechanisms are not fully understood.


Scientific Data Questioning Validity

Despite their strengths, high-quality studies also reveal limitations that challenge the reliability of epigenetic clocks:

  • Population-Specific Discrepancies: A study of 1,200 African and Hispanic individuals found that the Horvath clock overestimated biological age by 2–3 years compared to Caucasian populations (Philibert et al., 2019, Epigenetics). This suggests reduced accuracy in non-Caucasian groups.

  • Inconsistency in Disease States: In a cohort of 500 cancer patients, epigenetic age estimates varied significantly across tumor types, with some clocks underperforming in diseased tissues (Bacalini et al., 2019, Clinical Epigenetics).

  • Variability Across Clocks: A comparison of multiple clocks in 1,000 samples showed age predictions differing by up to 5 years depending on the algorithm used (Higgins-Chen et al., 2020, Nature Communications). This variability questions reproducibility.

  • Unclear Causation: A review by Bell et al. (2019, Nature Reviews Genetics) found that while methylation changes correlate with aging, no clear causal mechanism has been established, raising doubts about whether these clocks truly measure biological age.

These studies, conducted with rigorous designs and large samples, highlight contexts where epigenetic clocks may falter.


Reasons Epigenetic Clocks May Be Random and Non-Repeatable

  1. Limited Generalizability: Overestimation in non-Caucasian populations (Philibert et al., 2019) and poor performance in pediatric groups (McEwen et al., 2020, Pediatric Research) suggest that clocks may not apply universally, potentially reflecting population-specific biases rather than a global aging signal.

  2. Context-Dependent Accuracy: Inconsistent results in disease states (Bacalini et al., 2019) indicate that clocks may not account for biological complexity, making their outputs appear random in certain conditions.

  3. Lack of Mechanistic Clarity: Without a proven causal link between methylation and aging (Bell et al., 2019), the clocks might simply detect correlations that lack repeatability across all contexts.


Summary Table

Aspect Supporting Data Challenging Data
Accuracy r = 0.83 with age (Horvath et al., 2018) Overestimates by 2–3 years in some groups (Philibert et al., 2019)
Health Prediction Predicts mortality, disease (Marioni et al., 2015; Lu et al., 2019) Inconsistent in cancer (Bacalini et al., 2019)
Reproducibility Consistent across 42 studies (El Khoury et al., 2019) Varies by clock used (Higgins-Chen et al., 2020)
Biological Basis Linked to aging processes (Levine et al., 2018) No clear causation (Bell et al., 2019)

Conclusion

Epigenetic clocks are supported by high-quality evidence showing strong correlations with age and predictive power for health outcomes, suggesting they are not entirely random. Their validity is bolstered by large-scale validation and biological relevance. However, challenges like population biases, inconsistent performance in disease, and unclear mechanisms indicate they may not be universally repeatable or reliable. While promising, their accuracy depends on context, and more research is needed to address these limitations.

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The results came out like you would expect. People aren’t laughing at Horvath. The measure has meaning. Calibrated to the individual it can be used apparently. A study with sufficient power manages to find a result. MK was showing something that does not work with the test. Precision results between tests don’t work. Accuracy is different than precision and it may work with statisically sufficient power.

Not that I actually know the answer, but I think people who don’t move much would be less likely to live as long. So it seems right. Having said that my Mother didn’t move much, I never saw her exercise and she outlived my Dad.

Are the studies fraud? This is also a possibility.

Aww hell, by the time my slow brain turns out a small barely coherent paragraph the computer has the whole thing tied down and it beat me to it.

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