Once weekly in mice translates to much longer in humans, no? IIRC the half-life in mice is much much shorter.
Yes - I seem to remember the half life is less than 19 hours for mice. ChatGPT says 6 to 12 hours vs. approx. 60 hours for humans. But the dose used in the study is very high; 2mg/kg.
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Even if you translate the mouse dose by the usual factor (dividing by 10 or 12 or so), you still get a pretty high human weekly dose of around 12-14 mg/week.
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This is not so high if you take into account how fast some people metabolize rapamycin and what blood levels are deemed therapeutic after 24,48 hours, etc.
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That’s a great and very interesting study. Super comprehensive too, with functional tests not just biomarkers, which is awesome.
The Rapamycin was injected, which is kinda unusual! But at least it guaranteed no weirdness with absorption and bioavailability.
That said, you can really see the double-edged sword of Rapamycin. Arguably, the control (i.e. no drug) exercise strength group has the best metrics of everything - gained grip strength, hypertrophy etc. The continuous Rapa group were doing worse than untreated mice in a lot of tests. But, the intermittent Rapa group also did suffer some apparent negative effects like worse glucose tolerance even though they gained most of the exercise benefits. Also a bummer that exercise didn’t offset the glucose disposal problems.
So yet again we learn that the dose is key. If we take the 2 mg/kg, divide by 12.3 to correct for humans = 0.16 mg/kg, multiplied by 70kg average human = 11 mg. As for whether the mouse response to that dose is the same as a human, or what the blood concentration is, I have no idea. Hopefully they have blood samples stored and reviewers will ask for them to measure concentrations in the blood before the manuscript is accepted.
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