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This seems completely wild to me, but this company claims to be selling Klotho peptides online:

Klotho is an extremely promising peptide for brain health and longevity in general. #303 - A breakthrough in Alzheimer’s disease: the promising potential of klotho for brain health, cognitive decline, and as a therapeutic tool for Alzheimer's disease | Dena Dubal, M.D., Ph.D. - Peter Attia

That’s said, I have so very many questions about a company claiming to be selling this straight to consumers

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#2

Definitely. If it’s not on the FDA list of restricted peptides now, it likely will be getting their attention soon.

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#3

Beyan Johnson has tested his serum Klotho so there may be a test to do somewhere if anyone wants to try this!

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#4

jakexb, It’s entirely possible that I’ve misunderstood something, but I believe Bucky Labs has had Klotho peptide available for quite some time. However, Bucky Labs sells in in micrograms, not milligrams. I believe other peptide sellers have also had it available. But, feel free to correct me if I’m off-base on this.

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#5

Interestingly the dose they suggest is 500mcg per day, which is orders of magnitude higher than what is suggested by the biohackers that have used the bucky lab source. I forget what the equivalent dose is to rats/monkeys, but the dose they recommend is definitely more in the ballpark of human equivalent. The other threads on klotho in this forum go into more detail on the skepticism around current biohackers likely homeopathic dosing (at the instruction of Steve Perry)

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#6

The discussion on dosing: New Attia podcast on Klotho - #57 by 59vw

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#7

And unless I got my math wrong, the Celia source is significantly less expensive than Bucky Labs, even if the initial outlay is more.

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#8

I have many things to say about this. First of all there have been companies selling klotho to consumers as a research peptide for years, so this isnt the first.
Second it does say it is prescription, not sure where you are going to get a doctor to prescribe something that is not even approved as a drug.
Oh and third, the dose they are using will likely kill you.

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#10

Correct, the correct dose is .5pg per day.
500mcg is literally a billion times higher

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#11

They do require prescription, but intake exam and prescription is included in the $1800 cost!

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#12

Because it’s not alpha klotho, I have no idea if that is a good value or not. Based on the owners demeanor, I’m guessing it’s not, but I have no way to know for sure because I’ve never seen talk about taking that particular peptide.

Your thoughts?

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#13

Same for me, I had not heard of it until this discussion.

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#14

Roll call:
Headcount on those taking a-klotho here? I’m simply curious. As far as I can tell, it’s about 3 :slight_smile:

I recently started taking it and contacted the company about some questions I had regarding shipping and storage. He was impressively responsive and thorough.

With his permission, I’m sharing what I learned here:

Shipping: Even thought they ship it with icepacks, if you are not in a hot climate or ordering in the heat of the summer, it should be fine shipped regular mail and you don’t need to pay extra for expedited shipping.

Storage: If you have undiluted vials, you can store them in the freezer. Avoid freeze thaw cycles, but once is fine and it should be good for a year.

Dilution: I received an unexpected and brilliant tip about this which is what prompted me to post. Once you dilute it, the vial would be good for aprox a month in the fridge, with some slight degradation. The rockstar tip he shared was to fill all your syringes at once, and then store those syringes in the freezer. Yes, I said the freezer! You then pull out a syringe daily! Now your dilution will last for several months!

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#15

Some peptides are OK to freeze once reconstituted. Some are not. Good to hear Klotho fragments are.

The human Klotho molecule is a large protein (1012 amino’s) and the more commonly available “Klotho” peptides are fragments of that molecule. This is a common process.

Another example would be TB500, there are 3 versions, the common one is Frag 1-4, the next common version is Frag 17-23 while the full version of thymosin β4 is 43 amino’s.

Here are 2 klotho derived peptides.

https://www.tocris.com/products/klotho-derived-peptide-6_7847

https://www.tocris.com/products/klotho-derived-peptide-1_7830

Apparently there are 18 Klotho derived peptides. which begs the question, which one are you getting? Seems like Klotho 6 has a bit more clinical evaluation.

According to research, there are currently 18 identified Klotho-derived peptides which are typically designed by dividing the KL1 domain of the human Klotho protein into overlapping peptides, each roughly 30 amino acids long, allowing for comprehensive study of different peptide sequences within the Klotho protein

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#16

Beth, Alpha Klotho has been on my investigation list for a long time, but the dosing protocol found on FaceBook’s Klotho AntiAging group seems nebulously derived. I believe the reasoning behind their 0.5 picogram daily dose was explained and of course you don’t want to overdose, but it’s such a tiny dose compared to existing levels in the body.

On their FaceBook page the Kloth AntiAging group has a reference to dosing (and a link) by the Italian Cyclist Marcello Bergamo using a dose of ~5pg/week, but trying to find further information about Bergamo and Klotho other than that link has failed me so far. So, is that page legitimate or just a low-key promotion to buy Klotho from a site link on that page. And, there is also some reference to Steve Perry about dosing. But, again, it’s nebulous though there was some reference to “trial and error” which may be a very valid point. I am just a very skeptical person.

Using ChatGPT I received speculative HED Dosing (Human Equivalent Dosing) that I will not list here because the data kept changing when I worded the question differently. However, the information was in the ug (microgram) area instead of the pg (picogram) area.

So, if you have time please tell about your dosing protocol and any reasoning behind it.

Thanks for your time.

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#17

Hi Jay! I’ll be happy to share my dosage with you.

I titrated up and am now taking 1mcg per day.

You’ll see that Grant shared his dose in this post, here: New Attia podcast on Klotho - #75 by DrFraser

Sorry that I can’t be helpful in explaining any of the reasoning behind this protocol. I’m a patient of his and trust him, so I happily follow what he is doing for himself :slight_smile: If he changes what he is doing, I will follow in lockstep.

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#18

Beth, 1 mcg is more like it and titrating up also makes sense. I assume you’re using the Celia Klotho FG product. I wonder if it’s a peptide or pure alpha Klotho? I’ll ask Dr Fraser. Thanks.

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Actually, I’m not using Celia and wouldn’t. I’m using the a-klotho from Bucky Labs. Grant even shared his discount code in that same thread. I think it was Grant!

The Celia is not alpha klotho. After the owner of Celia chimed in on Keith’s post in the FB group, Keith then posted exactly what it is (I can’t remember offhand, otherwise I’d share that here),

Based on her demeanor, I would never feel comfortable buying anything from her. Just one person’s opinion :slight_smile:

@Jay I just tagged you on that FB post (her comments have since been deleted)

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