I looked it up: it was about 23 and me. Who knows if it’s real.
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AnUser
#22
In my view, and don’t take this the wrong way. When I saw that, I thought it was hilarious because somehow people have to make something up just to ‘cope’ with the facts. It’s totally ridiculous in my opinion. It has literally become a thing.
LDL increases because of saturated fat, not because of some type of ‘body type’. People differ in how much they increase from SFA intake… probably genetics. People are searching for something and not realizing they’ve already found it. If I started eating more than minimum saturated fat my LDL would probably increase to astronomical levels, that’s genetics…
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Just a couple of observations - firstly, my mom is in assisted living, and her facility is full of frail elderly people who can’t get out of bed unassisted. You don’t want to be them. That is an excellent reason to have muscle. In fact, you want to have so much muscle that you can stay out of an assisted living facility for as long as possible. My father is in his early 90s and he is still relatively self-sufficient (no rapamycin, just genetics and good luck I guess). This is in contrast to my mom, who hated and avoided exercise her entire life and she now has to use the mobility chair.
Secondly, muscle is a form of “health reserve” that you need when you are older. If you are hospitalized for a serious issue such as a heart attack, or even if you just have a viral infection, you need muscle in order to recover effectively. The key to recovery is being able to get up and walk around. If you don’t have any muscle beforehand, then a week in bed may leave you too weak to get out of bed and thus regain your strength. Very common in my mom’s assisted living facility for elderly people to catch a virus that puts them in bed and then they’re in the downward spiral of weakness and they never get out of bed.
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I am not “pure carnivore” - I eat strawberries, blueberries, and sometimes bananas. I can’t remember if dairy is allowed in pure carnivore, but I also eat cheese, yogurt, and cream. However, the mainstay of my diet is red meat, salmon, and eggs. When I bothered to track my macros this was “very low carb”. The key thing for me is simply to avoid bread, pasta, cereal, ultraprocessed foods, and especially seed oils. This makes it challenging to eat out, but I am fine with mainly cooking at home. The cost of eating out has become insane lately anyway.
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I used 23andMe years ago. I keep finding people I’m related to that 23andMe says we should be related. Now, my ancestral mitochondrial DNA…I don’t know how far I’d trust that sort of thing.
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Agetron
#26
Also, as Peter Attia and Matt Kaeberlein discussed in their need for more protein as we age nutrition talk. Animal protein and plant protein can not be compared. More bang and benefits when protein that is meat based.
This just in:
Come have a grilled steak with the meat eaters!
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blsm
#27
The Neanderthal thing was a a joke. I don’t take it that seriously or base my diet on it.
I do take having adequate muscle mass pretty seriously though after everything I’ve seen working with critically ill people over the years. I view it as a form of insurance for my elder years.
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Sorry folks, I am going to be offensive to some here:
Long long ago before most of you were born, we used to have “health food” stores. They were nothing like the supplement stores found today.
It was before vegans were ever heard of, at least to the general masses. What we had were vegetarians. The common perception was: You go into a health food store: The skinny, pale, acne-faced person serving you was almost assuredly a vegetarian.
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AnUser
#29
Carnivores are the new vegetarians 
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Agetron
#30
Hahaha… nice!
But, if you respect Dr. Peter Attia and Matt Kaeberlein both self proclaimed rapamycin users… here is their take on it.
Go forward to 3:27 into their talk. Sarcopenia
and Osteoporosis
Strong protein advocates… meat is the better choice over plants.
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It’s certainly possible to get 1.6g/kg of protein from plant food alone, even easier if with low fat dairy.
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Agetron
#32
Agreed… but digestion and use of plant protein in the body is not equal to meat 1 to 1.
That, said my former boss thrived on vegan… but not his wife. We are all different. One diet does not fit all… or we would have it locked up by now.
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There are certainly experts on both sides of the fence.
If your diet makes you feel good and keeps you at a desirable weight and keeps your blood work in the normal range there is no need to change IMO.
I am old, so my requirements are different than the younger forum members.
Why I have chosen a carnivore diet:
No glucose spikes ever.
May prevent sarcopenia
Makes my gut feel better.
As I previously posted, I was already on a low-carb diet so, the transition wasn’t hard.
Also, this is just one of my self-experiments. Something may cause me to change in the future, but right now I am feeling good on the carnivore diet.
“Sarcopenia describes the age-related loss of skeletal muscle mass and associated muscle weakness”
“Nutrition, particularly protein intake, is a more easily modifiable factor, especially when combined with structured (resistance) exercise programs.”
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I don’t “hang out” on the carnivore nor keto forums (nor vegan nor vegetarian) because I find a one-sided voice is useless in gaining knowledge: just like with FOX and CNN, I can’t tell what is fact and what is propaganda . I greatly appreciate the multitude of intelligent voices on this forum. I apologize if I occasionally get a bit passionate: no harm intended.
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I don’t eat plant protein, not even in my whey supplement. I’m grilling a steak right now!
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curt504
#36
I’ll offer for the high LDL/ApoB folks here; my wife had (had) high LDL/ApoB, calcium score of zero, and read a buried paper on hypothroidism, and corecting with Desicated beef thyroid (Armor/NP) after a few mo the LDL/ApoB drops.
My wife had very high LDL and high ApoB, was on NP, some 60mg, had correct thryoid panel, TSH under 1.0, and free T3 in good range. YET she experimented and upped her NP thyorid to 90mg and in a mo tested a lipid panel and all numbers had dropped. IE dosing to being on the high side toward hyper thyoid dropped her lippids to normal. She’s now experimenting with T2, little known/prescribed. I bit if T2 has bumped her metabolism up. She’s running on the warm side now. She’s trying to lose weight.
what if raising your thyroid panel (TSH under 0.1ish, Free T3 mid to upper range) drops LDL/ApoB and you avoid the statin and your worry?
Please don’t bother with just T4 / Levothroxin. So many non-converters of T4 to T3… Test rT3 and antibodies too.
I think it was the Denver Low carb conf 2023, some heart Dr rattled off statistics for high LDL folks; lower incidence of being hospitalized with covid, Same life span as “normal” LDL, for women high LDL was protective of health and life span. I’m ok with my LDL of 200. I also have a zero calcium score and had just a NY strip for dinner. Some cheese, red wine too. So we aren’;t 100% carnivor. 
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I started “pure” Carnivore just over a week ago. I am failing. Now I am doing what I am going to call the Northern European Ancestral Diet (name probably has already been taken). Which is basically a Keto diet with lower carbs.
My current plan is just based on what I like to eat on a low-carb diet.
Beef
Chicken
eggs
whole milk, cream, and half&half
Cheese
Butter.
Very dark chocolate.
No plant foods
No processed meats, sausage, etc.
I was dropping too much weight on the pure carnivore because I couldn’t stand to eat enough meat to meet my daily requirements. I have to use milk and cheese to raise my calorie intake to a normal level.
Hopefully, my blood panels will stay in the good range.
But, I will have to say again, my gut sure feels better on this diet. Believe it or not, back in the day of Adelle Davis, I was mainly vegetarian. That lasted about a year.
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curt504
#38
@Desert, makes perfect sense you (and others) drop the name for some diet. The human body is highly variable and so is what optimally nourishes it. We’ve been going to Ancestral Health confs, Weston A Price conf’s. For myself, I’m eating Ancestrally Consistent. Call it the Living In A Cave diet.
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“Unlike strict Paleo diets (which don’t include dairy), and the keto diet (which bans most carbohydrates), the ancestral diet allows certain, high-quality foods in moderation —even if your ancestors didn’t have access to them”
I am not a champion of any particular diet. Experimenting with various diets over the years, I have found for me personally, low carb works the best. As I have gotten old my digestive tract is much more sensitive to different kinds of food than when I was young.
On low-carb diets, I have never had to count calories. Some of the supplements I like to take for possible life extension like acarbose, are uncomfortable for me to take if I eat carbs.
My diet now is not really anything particular except that I am avoiding all carbs, at least for a while. As I said, my stomach and digestive tract are much more sensitive than when I was young. Meats, fats, and dairy products are supposed to be harder to digest as we get older.
Maybe because of my ancestry, this is not the case. I am really surprised at how good my system feels on this diet. (Warning, anyone on a regular diet that switches to a very low-carb diet will experience “Keto Flu” for the first week or so.)
There have been several different books written proposing diets based on genes and ancestry. Critiques have derided them, but I think there is some truth there.
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AnUser
#40
Also humans have been eating what has been available throughout history - whether be animal or plant foods.
