#41

@Scott, I’m just the dumb parrot from the conventions. Ancestral Health Symposium, hopefully will again have a 2024 conf.

  • Not 100k yrs but they used a nunber of 25k yrs is a drop in the bucket re the human genome and phsiology. We have the same bodies as where tuned for the food that existed then.
  • The change in food types in 25k yrs is astounding. Now they are pushing the prospect of synthetic lab grown food. Just mentioning hybridization of wheat, GMO etc.
  • the assertion is that some bodies today are highly reactive from birth, others like me became reactive in my teens, others age into food reactivity; to todays grocery story foods.
  • Too many orgs, researchers, studies find folks like my wife and I who are now healthier and feel better eating rare beef, lamb, some wiild fish, lots of fish oils etc. Few plants. DesertS story sounds similar. Not a “named diet” just trial and error on what feels best.
  • With personal variations, IE your fish, the less modern foods we eat the better is my take away. Its a long story re plant based foods; Diana Rogers and her book Sacred Cow, and Sally Norton author of Toxic Super Foods, if read and taken together paints a bigger picture that includes that todays brocolli is not the same nutritional plant as was in nature long ago. Anti nutrient content is up, nutrition is down. These 2 authors have done fantastic work, I’ll leave it to there books (and probably others).

Add in folks like Gabriel Lyon (and so many more Drs) https://www.youtube.com/c/DrGabrielleLyon
Who advocates 1.6gr of protein per 2.2 lb of body weight in ones daily diet to prevent sarcopenia, I’m forced to abandon vegies I want to eat but literally don’t have room for in my daily diet. I can hold less food today then when 25. I’m having to prioritize protein to even get close to 100g/da where I should be gettig 140g/day. Eating carnivor/cave man/women is just a joksey name. For me its no choice because I can’t eat brocolli AND enough protein in a day. Studying high whole protein sources one is forced to eat meat / fish… My eating debilitation of not being able to eat alot of food, has forced me to carnivorish. I do drink wine and eat chocolate. :slight_smile:

Wishing all well. curt

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#42

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Meat based diet is the consistent with how we ate historically. It’s why humans developed bigger brains. Cultures that eat predominantly meat have the longest life spans.

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#43

I’d guess it would be hard to accurately generalize about what humans ate pre agriculture. I think we’re stuck with the rare fossilized poop and tooth enamel. Almost certainly people ate whatever they could find. I place no stock in “ancestral” diet claims. Eat what makes you healthy and happy.

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#44

@blsm, @AnUser From a survival perspective, I do not like the idea some of us are only able to ‘healthily’ live off of a limited food type. I think per se there are overall optimal fuels (perhaps meat?) but I think it would be very advantageous to use lactose and even cellulose if there was little else to eat. Seasonal eating comes to mind.

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#45

At a certain point I begin to question whether these ‘toxins’ are inherently harmful, or some of us are just extremely sensitive for various reasons. Everything becomes toxic once you reach a certain threshold, correct?

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#46

I agree that all the food we are typically eating even on a healthy diet are quite different from what our ancestors may have consumed.
Slight objection though–since these ‘ancestral’ plants would’ve had to survive on their own without the help of human aid, one would assume they had even more defense chemicals? I’m also not sold on those substances being inherently an issue, I just think you have to get the dosing right. Thoughts?

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#47

There is value in figuring out what diet suits you the best, short and long term. The latter becomes a bit more nebulous. The same long-term concerns could easily be said for our longevity self-experimentations!

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#48

I agree. We change and our needs change over time so it’s crucial to be open minded, willing to experiment and change course if needed.

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#49

I didn’t expect to fail again so quickly but it happened. Yesterday I basically ate primarily plant based besides some egg whites because I’m a sucker for experimenting. I crashed pretty hard and today my bp has been in the 80/50 range all day so it’s a repeat of what happened last year. I just can’t muster the energy to do anything with my bp tanked so I’ve had only carnivore foods today and hopefully I make a turnaround soon. I’m going to focus on leaner choices this time around and just see how it goes. Last year it helped improve my bp quickly but in hindsight I ate way too much fat and my body composition was gradually going in the wrong direction. I’ll admit to being a little disappointed but I guess there are worse problems.

#50

Why not go to a doctor?

#51

@AnUser, I went when it was happening last year and got tested for Addison’s disease. It ended up being a very expensive nightmare with no definitive results, another test was ordered where they inject you with insulin while fasting and the hospital couldn’t tell me the cost so I didn’t have it done because I still owed money for the first test. I ended up with an rx for florinef which while it worked I didn’t particularly enjoy taking it due to side effects. My husband and dad both encouraged me to go back to eating carnivore (they are not carnivore btw) when all of that was happening because they said from their point of view I did much better eating that way. I followed their advice because they are the two people who know me the best and I didn’t have anything to lose. I told my doctor about it at my follow up visit and he was fine with it. He just said to take a multivitamin. I do have insurance and did at the time that happened last year but the coverage isn’t great unfortunately. I will probably pursue getting the testing done though because I’d really like to know.

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#52

If this is not BS, then I feel I am a distant; also ran.

https://twitter.com/SBakerMD/status/1695344139011866934?s=20

9h

Shawn, are you being serious? Is she really 82?

Dr Shawn Baker :cut_of_meat:

@SBakerMD

Yes

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#53

The guy right next to her is 152 and has been on the vegan diet ever since he fought in WW1.

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#54

No, seriously, look at her hands if you enlarge the image. Those are definitely the hands of somebody in their 80s.

Probably a little photo shopping on the chin and neck.

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#56

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

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#57

Nir Barzili mentioned that one of the consistent things they have found with centenarians is that their diet had no impact at all on their longevity. Centenarians seemed as protected from good dietary habits as they did bad.
She looks fantastic for her age, but suggesting that it’s solely down to diet is a huge leap.
There’s any number of reasons why she’s so well preserved and my guess is that even if her diet was additive there’s a lot more going on at the genetic level and environmental level.
Reading some of the comments thread on the interview is shocking.
While the science isn’t there yet, the very least you can do is to test your genes and find your own baseline or you’re shooting in the dark.

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#58

It’s a great interview. She’s been very active ranching most of her life and lived in a pretty pristine environment. She looks older in the video compared to the picture but still great for her age. She admits to always being tall and lean and even was able to pass for a boy as a teenager to do a specific job girls were not allowed to do back then.

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#59

Carnivore diet is a fad diet according to Wikipedia.

According to Google Trends very few people follow it as well.

I really enjoyed my Med meal of whole grain bread, hummus, Kalamata olives, tomatoes, EVOO, salt+pepper. Randomized controlled trials suggest such way of eating is healthy.

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#60

There are only 2 fingers visible - not enough to determine age, and the image is blurry. She’s not 82 for sure.

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