From the UW news, because bragging on the UW, even if MK decided to leave …

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved Dr. Jonathan An from the UW Department of Oral Health Sciences to lead the first-ever study to evaluate rapamycin in older adults with periodontal disease. Rapamycin is an FDA approved drug with immune modulating properties that is a prominent focus in anti-aging (geroscience) research.

Dr. Jonathan An

Dr. Jonathan An

Researchers in the aging field have shown that rapamycin can improve the aging process in mice by inhibiting a pathway called mTOR, which regulates nutrient sensing and cell growth. Rapamycin is a specific inhibitor of mTOR, and while studies have used rapamycin and its derivatives on humans, Dr. An is the first to be approved by the FDA to study rapamycin in the context of oral health and periodontal disease.

“If periodontal disease is age-related, and rapamycin can target the aging process and improve it, then we want to find out what happens to periodontal disease when rapamycin is used,” said Dr. An. Periodontal disease is a chronic oral inflammatory disease that affects over 70 percent of adults over the age of 65 years old. The estimated cost of untreated periodontal disease in the United States is an estimated $154 billion. As there is no cure for periodontal disease, current remedies merely target its symptoms for temporary relief.

The study will conduct trials on adults over the age of 50 who have periodontal disease by intermittently providing them with rapamycin over a span of eight weeks. Participants will then receive dental cleanings and be compensated for their time.

“Currently, if you are diagnosed with periodontal disease, you get the same treatment if you are 40 as when you’re 50 or 60 years old,” said Dr. An. “So, for these older adults, if we give them rapamycin beforehand, we may be able to alter their immune responses so they get a better treatment outcome than merely alleviating their symptoms on a surface level .”

The FDA will look at the effects of rapamycin on participants’ periodontal disease, but as the first FDA-approved study to use rapamycin, other research groups will have a keen interest in a variety of its outcomes. Dr. An will work with local clinics and research groups to also analyze markers for biological aging and other health factors, such as the oral microbiome.

“In addition to oral health, we will be following our participants’ systemic health, such as through blood tests, to investigate the impact of rapamycin,” said Dr. An. Finding a treatment for periodontal disease would be a big step toward long-term oral health care, and if Dr. An and his team could help further anti-aging research along the way, the study would be an even greater success.

“Periodontal disease has been thought to be correlated to heart disease, diabetes, and Alzheimer’s Disease, all of which share the underlying risk factor of age,” said Dr. An. “Impacting periodontal disease with rapamycin could not only change the way we do dentistry but could also positively impact aging globally.”

Dr. An will be working with the UW School of Dentistry’s Regional Clinical Dental Research Center (RCDRC) leads Dr. Doug Ramsay and Marilynn Rothen to conduct the study. Dr. An is an assistant professor in the Department of Health Sciences and is the Assistant Graduate Program Director of the School of Dentistry. Those interested in signing up for the trial, finding more information, or following progress of the study can go to www.rapamycintrial.com.

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MK left UW? Or just isn’t part of the study any more? Any idea why?

I was surprised too. He talks about it in a podcast somewhere, but the short answer is that he went to Ora & is doing the worm bot there. There may be info here: https://www.youtube.com/@optispan

He had an offer he couldn’t refuse… and felt he could move the field forward better outside of academia now. He’s CEO of Optispan:

https://www.optispan.life/company

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Ever since finding out that both the oral microbiome and the gut microbiome have wide-ranging correlations with many other systems in the body, I’ve been much more careful about maintaining and nourishing both. When I found out on the forum here about dental benefits of rapamycin, I learned about dental pockets and that they could be measured. When I went to my dentist and asked her if she could measure mine, she said that mine weren’t enough to be measurable. So I wonder just how you would go about measuring your oral microbiome health. I would like to see if it improves when I start rapamycin.

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I did this one a couple of months ago, after a year of rapa. (No test before rapa.) Given how poor the results were, I don’t think rapa had any impact. Or rapa caused the poor result.

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That certainly looks interesting, thanks! I’ll investigate further. $169 USD isn’t cheap, not sure that it’s worth it (and apparently not in your case).

Think you can get a discount code from Michael Lustgarten’s website

There is a video on the forum from when @AlexKChen had his review of results with Bristle counselor

There was also a dental health video that Bryan Johnson had somewhere around a year so or so - can perhaps see on his protocol cite or on YouTube

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Thanks, Neo!
Also came across this:
" To create an accessible yet accurate prediction of biological age, the scientists built a model that uses AI to combine facial, tongue and retina images. Pictures of the face can indicate skin health, while your tongue reveals how healthy your microbiome is and your retinas can signal the health of your neurological and cardiovascular systems."
https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/new-measurement-biological-age

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Cool. Is there I way to do the (tongue) test online / via an app, or still just research?

Not yet but they do say:
" The scientists behind the study also confirmed to BBC Science Focus that the AI could soon be available to smartphone users. “We are doing beta testing now and expect to release a low-cost version on an app for easy access,” Dr Kang Zhang said."

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Len5742, what kind of rapa do you take? Is it solid sirolimus tablets or compounded/imported rapamycin capsules?

Biocon Rapacan 1mg tab. Ten mg/week during 2023.

I had great results (gumline gaps greatly reduced) with my last cleaning after being on rapa for 7 months.

Note all of the green arrows on four of the lines. Those indicate that my gumline gaps are getting much smaller than the previous cleaning. The four lines are for top, bottom, inside, outside measurements.

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Fantastic news! Thanks for sharing.

Amazing results!

Is this with the rapa toothpaste or the normal weekly rapa pills? Which dosage?

Pills. I take 8mg once per week- first thing in the morning on an empty stomach. I weigh 210 lbs which is why I take 8mg instead of the more common 6mg…
I’m having another cleaning in a couple of weeks and I’ll post the results.

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There can be a lot of variation in probing depths depending on technique variances between hygienists, hydration of the gingival tissues, even angulation of probe by same operator can vary on different days. It would be more telling to see vertical bitewing radiographs over time. A two year comparison would be more conclusive also. Ageless Rx is still monitoring those who were in the Pearl trial and are still taking Rapa.

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Just published: Evaluation of off-label rapamycin use on oral health 2024

Does any one have access to the paper?

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Periodontal diseases are responsible for 70 percent of age-related tooth loss. A miraculous success of rapamycin is that it reduces tooth loss. I think the FDA is slowly starting to look favorably on rapamycin.

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