#21

.6. I monitor blood sugar pretty closely, not CGM, but frequent finger pricks. I never go below 70.
.8. No side effects and really helps my high normal bp.
.10. Yes I should up this a little
.11. Magnesium L Threonate recommended by Dr. Attia. It more easily crosses into brain.
.13. Yep it seems to help
.16. Possibly too much, was going higher in the hopes of reducing my elevated triglyceride levels

Yes finasteride, collagen, and some of the others I have considered.
Thanks for the comments

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#22

Here is mine (39M) with some notes added for context. I get frequent blood work and have a blood pressure monitor at home so Iā€™m not just guessing with this stuff. I got into healthspan/lifespan because I made some poor decisions with my body in the past and it woke me up.

Acarbose (150mg)
Astaxanthin (12mg)
Collagen Peptides (20mg)
Creatine (5g)
DHEA (50mg) - DHEA-S level was low
Empagliflozin (10mg)
Ezetimibe (10mg)
HGH (2iu) - controversial but I like the effects from it and am bullish on the TRIIM trials
Hyaluronic Acid (200mg)
Lithium Orotate (10mg)
Magnesium Glycinate (240mg)
Melatonin (1mg)
Modafinil (100mg) - recently added, makes me feel smarter
Naturelo Multivitamin
Nandrolone (100mg PW) - for joint health
Nattokinase (8000 FU)
Nebivolol (5mg) - to slightly reduce my resting heart rate
Pregnenolone (100mg) - pregnenolone tested low so I take it
Rapamycin (5mg E10D)
Retatrutide (2mg PW)
Rosuvastatin (5mg)
Selegiline (5mg PW)
Taurine (4g)
Telmisartan (40mg)
Testosterone (200mg PW) - anabolic steroid use from age 25 forced me to be on TRT
TMG (1500mg)
Trazadone (150mg) - helps me sleep
Cytomel/T3 (50mcg) - I have poor T4 to T3 conversion (despite a great TSH) and feel awful if I donā€™t take it. T4 or T4/T3 both failed to make me feel better.
Ubiquinol/CoQ10 (100mg) - @adssx isnā€™t gonna like this one :shushing_face:

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#24

The body only produces <1mg per day in total so you donā€™t need high doses to replenish it.

#25

I recently switched to dutasteride after being on finasteride for about 2.5 years. Iā€™ve noticed no difference, no side effects. Iā€™d just recommend most people hop straight on dutasteride at this point, the side effect profile is essentially the same as finasteride.

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#26

Just for the synovial fluid or are you also shooting for more collagen synthesis or more anabolism on top of the 200 test? Some say it just masks inflammation that should be dealt with by another method.

Sincere question. I donā€™t have an opinion.

I feel so much better on 2IU of GH but it pushes my IGF-1 into the mid 300s and I donā€™t know what to think about that long term. My IGF-1 already runs 250ish.

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#27

150mg Trazadone is pushing into priapism risk territory. Is there a reason you arenā€™t using 50 or 100? Iā€™ve never really seen anyone take more than 100 for sleep.

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#28

I took 150mg for sleep for a long time. No damage.

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#29

Using Algae oil for predominant DHA

Algal Oil (Schizochytrium spp.) 1,470 mg :latin_cross:
Total Omega-3 (as TG^) 770 mg :latin_cross:
Docosahexaenoic Acid (DHA) 450 mg :latin_cross:
Eicosapentaenoic Acid (EPA) 140 mg

couple tablespoons of Chia seeds for ALA

Occasional sardines and other fish EPA

Pretty much lowered my EPA (fish oil) since the correlative studies were with Fish Oil

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#30

You took the words right out of my mouth. This will also help increase your HDL.

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#31

@GregordianKnot we share a few similarities:

47 M

Weekly

Rapamycin: 7 mg
Semaglutide (injection): 0.3 mg

Daily

Taurine: 10 g
Glycine: 3 g
Creatine Monohydrate: 5 g
Psyllium Fiber: 4 g

Metformin: 1000 mg
Tadalafil: 5 mg
Atorvastatin: 10 mg

Vitamin B12: 1000 mcg
Vitamin D: 3000 mg
Magnesium L-Threonate: 1300 mg
Lithium Orotate: 5 mg
Omega-3: 600 mg
Centrum for Men multivitamin

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#32

Great stack! @GregordianKnot
Would be nice to see what your nutrition looks like, and how you incorporate the timing of your stack.

@LukeMV @AgentSmith
Regarding Nandroloneā€¦
IIRC I watched an interview on YouTube (Muscular Development channel) with Doctor Testosterone (George Touliatos) from Greece.
I donā€™t want to spend too much time trying dig up the interview as heā€™s done many of them & would take so long to find it.
He mentioned he had his mother(or grandmother) who was over 100 years old on nandrolone.
Not sure what else she was taking. However, that was the oldest person I know of who was using nandrolone.
I donā€™t know how long she was on it for or the dosage. It would be nice to know this information.
If someone can message him about this, that would be great!
She did pass away not long after the interview however. I think it was covid related but not sure.
It would be great if the ITP tested more hormones or peptides.

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#33

Iā€™d say both. I have used more in the past so Iā€™m not really growing new muscle from this dose, but it definitely helps me maintain it in conjunction with the 200mg testosterone per week and 2iu HGH per day. I was bodybuilding heavily in my 20s and early 30s and I still like to be big/lean, so this little regimen keeps the muscle on me without much health concern.

I know high doses of nandrolone/deca in rats has shown detrimental cardiovascular effects, but I think itā€™s pretty safe at low doses in humans.

Before I added nandrolone, I was really having pain lifting weights, especially in my shoulders, and this had a miraculous effect. I threw up 100lbs dumbbell bench press yesterday for 20 reps with ease. A year ago, it would have been painful to do that.

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#34

Yes I know exactly who that Greek doctor is. A lot of menā€™s hormone clinics are prescribing it these days. Someone named Dr. Jeffrey Rutterbusch said he took 200mg per week for 20 years and felt great (thatā€™s an anabolic dose, so maybe not safe long term for everyone). Dr. Andrew Winge also has videos on YouTube about it.

I have to say Iā€™m a big fan after seeing how well it worked for me. I understand itā€™s masking everything but Iā€™m fine with that.

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#35

I havenā€™t had that issue at all with Trazadone. It helped me come off 1mg of Xanax I used to take for sleep instead, which I donā€™t recommend.

I go between 75-150mg Traz depending on how Iā€™m feeling. I know itā€™s prescribed up to 300mg for depression, but I wouldnā€™t go up from 150mg max.

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#36

@AgentSmith @LukeMV Can you describe in more detail what positive effects you get from GH?

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#37

Multivitamins vary quite a bit and it is worth knowing what is in them. I quite like VM2000 because it includes quite a wide range of otherwise rare minerals. On the other hand sometimes the multivitamins have too much of some substances.

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#38

I noticed no one is on LDN? Any reasons?

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#41

Why not lower cholesterol through diet? Incorporate foods with omega-3 fatty acids, flaxseeds, etc to support healthy cholesterol levels? Never had a problem with cholesterol, no signs of heart disease testing quarterly- all the blood markers and some scans. Diet and exercise first, eliminate the drugs, the side effects alone are reasons to stay away.

However, if your genetics :dna: contain certain polymorphisms that put you in higher risk for heart disease perhaps I would reconsider.

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#42

Ubiquinol - not validated, possibly risky. Methylated multi - watch out not to take doses greatly exceeding RDA, potentially risky. EPA/DHA - what is your omega 3 index - this might be too high an intake. Vitamin C 500mg - too high, you absorb less than half of that and anything in excess of about 250mg/day is not helpful unless special circumstances treating some condition; 500mg starts getting into territory of potentially attenuating exercise benefits, and in general excessive superdosing of antioxidants can interfere with signaling and anticancer defenses. 900mcg retinol palmitate per day - too much.

Generally OK, but the key question is always how does this fit with your specific situation. If your diet provides already 250mg or more of vitamin C, what is the point of supplementing with vitamin C, unless you have a very specific reason, like recovering from burns or gingivitis etc. Unless you are deficient in vitamins why take a shotgun loading of methylated vitamins - instead, a more targeted approach to higher doses of b1 and b2 for specific benefits (like neurological), not ALL b vitamins. And so on, even including things like NAC - yes, there are specific conditions where NAC supplementation can be very beneficial, but otherwise, if you donā€™t have a specific need, free-floating NAC is pointless at best and risky at worst, because like any over nutrition of even ā€œgoodā€ neutriceuticals, it can be potentially detrimental. Taurine 3g is fine, but take it away from other AA to avoid interference.

And speaking of interference, make sure your protocol of taking your supplements and medications is carefully thought out in the context of your diet and exercise - the more stuff you take, the trickier potentially interactions - have you carefully mapped out all these factors?

A list of supps/meds is one thing, but putting it all together is what matters. Itā€™s the difference between carefully following all the steps in a recipe, and just throwing all the ingredients into a blender. Two very different results. Bon appetit!

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#44

Iā€™ve only run it for short periods, but I simply feel ā€œless oldā€ as in I get relief from constant low-grade soreness from exercise. And also a little sleepier at night, which is what I need. My skin seems smoother and has a nicer tone, so looks younger in that way. But mostly itā€™s the lack of pain and corresponding overall sense of well being that comes along with that that is really attractive.

Luc is the expert, but my understanding from listening to way too many bodybuilding podcasts (Kurt Havens, Vigorous Steve, etc) is that you need to get to the 6-9IU range to start to see muscle growth.

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