KarlT
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https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.ado1463
I can see a keto diet working for some people to lose weight, but otherwise I don’t think it’s the healthiest option.
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So does taurine and it actually does have a lifespan and healthspan benefit seen in multiple animal models.
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DrM
#3
I love my Keto/Carnivore lifestyle. I have been using it for three months. My inflammation is down; I have lost 20+ pounds and am still losing. I am never hungry, and all GI issues have disappeared. My thinking is more clear than ever. Perhaps I won’t live longer, but I feel awesome. I have no problems with cholesterol. I think I may be able to stop my high blood pressure medication at some point. It’s certainly not for everyone. The hardest thing is people thinking you are crazy for eating fat and protein. I have stopped trying to explain the science to the skeptics. My biggest realization is how much I was deceived in Medical School and sold a line of bull about cholesterol, fat, and carbs.
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Bicep
#4
The diet they tested was 90% fat from Crisco (or cocoa butter?). I’ve never been that strict. I eat meat most days, fermented dairy every day and eggs of course. I have berries and anything I can find in the garden, usually not much. I’d call it low carb.
I think 90% questionable fat is going to cause problems.
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DrM
#5
Right, and according to carnivore dogma, vegetable fats (Crisco) are part of the problem. Crisco is soybean oil, palm oil, and fully hydrogenated palm oil
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AnUser
#6
A keto diet can most certainly be considered healthy by modern scientific standards.
A carnivore diet on the other hand is not considered healthy by those same standards.
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They used garbage seed oils in the “keto” diet and that is the problem that is causing the unhealthy effect.
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Vlasko
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Both intermittent and chronic keto diets have been shown in studies to extend median lifespan in mice by 13.6%. More info below.
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KarlT
#9
@Bicep low carb seems very reasonable and healthy. Don’t see any evidence that full keto is beneficial and is probably lacking in some nutrients. I try to eat berries most days.
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KarlT
#10
@Vlasko im not sure those studies prove much. The full keto study was calorie restriction, and I have no idea what intermittent keto means. Were the mice actually in ketosis ever?
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Vlasko
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The chronic keto study wasn’t calorie restricted. It was isocaloric and calorie-limited in order to allow comparisons between experimental groups: control, keto, and low-carb (below ketogenic threshold). Meaning they determined the amount of calories needed to prevent ongoing weight gain and then set daily diet to that number. Calorie restriction would be setting calories to some percentage below that number.
Yes, the mice on intermittent ketogenic diet did enter ketosis per the abstract. Based on this study, if someone wanted to adapt this to human diet they would have to factor in the difference in time takes mice to enter ketosis versus humans. This study says mice may enter keto in as little as eight hours of fasting.
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KarlT
#12
This one is in humans;
Association of a Low-Carbohydrate High-Fat Diet With Plasma Lipid Levels and Cardiovascular Risk
https://www.jacc.org/doi/10.1016/j.jacadv.2024.100924
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I know that seizure treatment is not a generalized case for the keto diet, but truly the story relayed in this video made me cry:
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